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Why Paul Graham is wrong about New York City

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Re: Why Paul Graham is wrong about New York City

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The thing is, any reasoning that assumes Silicon Valley is where it's at ignores all the TechCrunch articles about "the crisis in venture capital" and the inability of the VCs to find companies that need their money to lift off at all in the commodity-hardware/open-source-software era. It's very, very unlikely that the Valley-centric monoculture of the past will continue to characterize the startup scene. NY has a st…

dammit, I misspelled Edinburgh.

You get points for using ginormous though.

Re: Why Paul Graham is wrong about New York City

#52
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe that's the reason a lot of startup action is happening in Brooklyn, where all the cool designer types and hackers are moving to. The rent is lower and the people are just nicer, in DUMBO where our startup is based there's atleast 5 other startups in a 10 block radius. Which, while not SoMa is still pretty good :)

I live in Brooklyn (Williamsburg) and I know there is a lot of start-up activity around me as well. It's easy to build a web app, but building a beautiful web app requires some incredibly artistic and design-conscious people which I think NYC (and especially Brooklyn) are chock full of.

hmm.. like painters I suppose...

Re: Why Paul Graham is wrong about New York City

#53
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In NYC, they have laws that a renter must earn an annual income that is 52x the monthly rent to qualify to rent the apartment (yes, subletting from someone is one way around it). In NYC, a 1BR apartment that you live in by yourself is a status symbol. The average monthly rent is north of $2,500. Spending $2k+ on rent just to live in the city, maybe that's more about ego than it is about money..

Maybe that's the reason a lot of startup action is happening in Brooklyn, where all the cool designer types and hackers are moving to. The rent is lower and the people are just nicer, in DUMBO where our startup is based there's atleast 5 other startups in a 10 block radius. Which, while not SoMa is still pretty good :)

Brooklyn has some rocking art stuff going on and some sweet industrial designers. Some of the stuff on Etsy from people there is just crazy good.

Re: Why Paul Graham is wrong about New York City

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Thats true. It was not a comment about this article, it was a joke about many articles appearing in a short time frame all disagreeing with PG in some way or another. All the responses seem to have come out at once. Conversations are good, although I have a running disagreement on a different thread over the logic of some comments, I have to say they are enjoyable to read.

well, they're overdue. the man's gotten very lazy preaching to the converted.

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Re: Why Paul Graham is wrong about New York City

#55
post #20

When PG says New York City, I usually take it to mean Manhattan. Brooklyn and Queens are both pretty awesome. If anyone here is from NYC, I'd love to start some real-life gatherings for YC'ers. Edit: on this topic, I believe reddit started in brooklyn and later relocated. Can anyone confirm?

I'm up. magus.pwnsen@gmail.com

Re: Why Paul Graham is wrong about New York City

#56

The thing is, any reasoning that assumes Silicon Valley is where it's at ignores all the TechCrunch articles about "the crisis in venture capital" and the inability of the VCs to find companies that need their money to lift off at all in the commodity-hardware/open-source-software era. It's very, very unlikely that the Valley-centric monoculture of the past will continue to characterize the startup scene. NY has a st…

"Ultimately power rests with the founders. A startup with the best people will beat one with funding from famous VCs, and a startup that was sufficiently successful would never have to move. So a town that could exert enough pull over the right people could resist and perhaps even surpass Silicon Valley."

http://www.paulgraham.com/siliconvalley.html

Re: Why Paul Graham is wrong about New York City

#57
I feel like a second-class citizen when I'm looking for apartments and have to sift through ungodly crap, much of which is priced above what I'm willing to spend. The inherited wealthy are a small set of people, but they have a huge effect on real estate here. Aside from that, I think New York is too diverse to be just "about money", and so I disagree.

New York will be an awesome place to live after the real estate crash. I will be so happy to see that happen.

Re: Why Paul Graham is wrong about New York City

#58
post #2

Probably going against the grain here, but that was spot-on. PG's analysis of NYC in that article made me wince, especially that nonsense about restaurants and jackets. I also snorted at the notion that NYC is all about money. It is such a large and diverse city that I find it difficult to suggest that it is all about ANY one thing.

I find it difficult to suggest that it is all about ANY one thing.

From the essay:

"There are other messages too, of course. You should be hipper. You should be better looking. But the clearest message is that you should be richer."

Re: Why Paul Graham is wrong about New York City

#59
post #3

You know I was cleaning this weekend and apparently I missed the start of "Put the smack-down on PG" week. Any way I can catch up by Friday? Suggestions PG? I have a tentative work entitled "Why PG is wrong about the color of the HN menubar," but I'm not sure it has the same pizzaz as this other stuff we're seeing.

Actually this one is a delight by comparison. This guy at least means well. The last one was like Fox News.
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