Gee, I wonder what nation could possibly be behind this?
Obviously you mean Russia, but China, North Korea, and Iran also have an interest in weakening NATO.
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#52why is the BBC calling NATO Nato? I had to internet search to figure out what they were talking about
https://www.bbc.co.uk/academy/en/articles/art201307021121335... > Use the abbreviated form of a title without explanation only if there is no chance of any misunderstanding (eg UN, Nato, IRA, BBC). Otherwise, spell it out in full at first reference, or introduce a label (eg the public sector union Unite). > > Where you would normally say the abbreviation as a string of letters - an initialism - use all capitals with…
The same rules applies in Swedish, so the correct way, in Swedish, is to write "Ikea".[1]
[1]: http://www.isof.se/sprak/namn/samverkan-inom-namnvard-och-na...
Re: Hackers post fake stories on real news sites 'to discredit NATO'
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
> US policy toward NATO has been remarkably consistent. Yeah, with Trump moving troops out of Germany because he believes, contrary to all facts, we'd be trying to rip them off. Not to mention the whole Iraq fiasco with Bush trying to rope NATO allies in a war based on lies.
So Germany is not deliquent on NATO payments? Or that doesn't qualify?
Who is receiving those NATO payments?
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
The one this fake story was designed to make you think it is behind it
Wow, how clever. So are you saying Russia never do these types of operations, or do they, but only sometimes? If so, I'd love to know how you can tell the difference.
Russia would know that any fake stories it posts after hacking the BBC will be immediately taken down and corrected. Not only that, but it lets Western governments know Russia has that capability and take measures to counter it. There's a lot more damage they could do with hacked news sites than just "discrediting NATO." They get little or no benefit out of a hack like this.
On the other hand, if this thread is any indication, domestic intelligence agencies which want to foment anti-Russian sentiment can get a lot of mileage out of the idea this is another dastardly cyberattack by the Russkies.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
This Russian propaganda is obviously targeting President Trump's plans to strengthen the eastern flank of NATO. Something Obama has been extremely weak on. He cancelled Missile Defense after opposition from Russia (famously promising "Vladimir" “more flexibility” on the issue after his "last election"). Eastern European leaders were warning Obama about Ukraine way before it happened but he wouldn't listen. And before…
> Trump's plans to strengthen the eastern flank of NATO. Something Obama has been extremely weak on. I think you're going to need to start citing that, I'm not aware of any such plans. Certainly nothing that rises to the level of action (e.g. announcing the removal of a third of the US forces in Germany, as happened last week). This is just a whataboutist response. While there is criticism to be made everywhere about…
Germany is not on the eastern flank of NATO, many of the troops being withdrawn will be relocated closer to Russia [0] .
And again the move was spurred in part by Germany's pipeline with Russia - Nord Stream 2. Which clearly shows the Trump administration is taking stronger steps to punish NATO members which cooperate with Russia.
> Trump administration has NOT been extraordinarily compliant to Russian demands is just ridiculous
Yes, this is completely false. The Trump administration has been tougher on pretty much everything involving Russian interests. From Ukraine, Iran, Syria, sanctions on Russia, to yes strengthening the eastern flank of NATO.
[0] https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Speeches/Speech/Article/229...
"The current EUCOM plan will reposition approximately 11,900 military personnel from Germany – from roughly 36,000 down to 24,000 – in a manner that will strengthen NATO, enhance the deterrence of Russia, and meet the other principles I set forth"
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#57Gee, I wonder what nation could possibly be behind this?
The one this fake story was designed to make you think it is behind it
Do you have any evidence that FireEye’s report is inaccurate or misleading?
You are making an outlandish claim, that the BBC is lying in conjunction with FireEye. Back it up with evidence, or abstain from gaslighting please.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wow, how clever. So are you saying Russia never do these types of operations, or do they, but only sometimes? If so, I'd love to know how you can tell the difference.
Russia would know that any fake stories it posts after hacking the BBC will be immediately taken down and corrected. Not only that, but it lets Western governments know Russia has that capability and take measures to counter it. There's a lot more damage they could do with hacked news sites than just "discrediting NATO." They get little or no benefit out of a hack like this. On the other hand, if this thread is any i…
The killing of Russians in the UK and Germany (and elsewhere) was also by domestic intelligence agencies? And the BND and MI6 cooperated on these killings? Otherwise Western governments would know GRU capabilities?
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
What about the US blowing up the Middle East, where Germany and much of European countries having to deal with the refugees as a consequence of those wars? I think countries like Germany have been penalised enough by the US for not picking up the slack for the refugee situation.
The flows of refugees from Syria to Turkey and Greece were largely due to the fallout of the Syrian Civil War, which the United States was neither responsible for starting, could not have prevented from starting, and could not have stopped once it began.
Most refugees in Germany and most of Europe come from Afghanistan and Iraq. Which nation(s) started the wars there?
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
This Russian propaganda is obviously targeting President Trump's plans to strengthen the eastern flank of NATO. Something Obama has been extremely weak on. He cancelled Missile Defense after opposition from Russia (famously promising "Vladimir" “more flexibility” on the issue after his "last election"). Eastern European leaders were warning Obama about Ukraine way before it happened but he wouldn't listen. And before…
> Trump's plans to strengthen the eastern flank of NATO. Something Obama has been extremely weak on. I think you're going to need to start citing that, I'm not aware of any such plans. Certainly nothing that rises to the level of action (e.g. announcing the removal of a third of the US forces in Germany, as happened last week). This is just a whataboutist response. While there is criticism to be made everywhere about…
> Polish defence minister says the US will deploy 1,000 soldiers in Poland to oversee forces on NATO's eastern flank.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/07/poland-deploy-1000-tr...
The article even uses the term "NATO's eastern flank."