In a trip to south africa, entire sections of some cities were being "bought" by China. In retaliation, locals occasionally refuse to sell fuel to Chinese fishing vessels, which, like those in TFA, were there illegally.
Unmasking China's Invisible Fleet
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#52I know this article is about the waters off Korea, but I noticed a similar thing flying over the South China Sea, in particular the Tokyo-Bangkok route. Flying late at night over the SCS, and then peering out the window from 40k ft, you see endless lights - thousands and thousands of them. At first I thought I was over land, but then checked the map. The next trip I noticed the same thing, and then the same. It was l…
> Presumably all Chinese That seems unlikely considering that Vietnam's entire coastline forms the western border of the South China Sea, so that's where they're most likely to fish. The Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei and Indonesia also border the sea and occasionally stop fishing boats in what they consider their territorial waters. China probably has the largest fleet, but that doesn't mean the other countries are j…
OP/TFA implied that it was indeed Chinese, by encroaching on territorial waters and crowding out native fleets. At least that was my reading of the article and the above comment.
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
They are normally unarmed, but when it can all change at any time. It's hard to notice when that change is happening. All of sudden there can be 50,000 or 100,000 ships carrying sea mines, underwater listening devices, depth charges, targeting systems or short range anti-ship missiles. Just like their merchant cargo ships they have some standardization that allows PLA to plan ahead what they can carry. If USN carrier…
>If USN carrier group must sail to help Taiwan in short notice and huge fleet of these ships just happen to stand in the way, then what? It's huge risk just to just assume that they are unarmed and sail trough, or that they have not mined the area. Just being able to provide targeting for Chinese anti-ship ballistic missiles is a big problem. Sounds like they're using civilian ships as human shields or cannon fodder…
If they are, and one were to draw up a list of other human rights violations and international laws that China is breaking, I don't think this would make the top five.
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Presumably all Chinese That seems unlikely considering that Vietnam's entire coastline forms the western border of the South China Sea, so that's where they're most likely to fish. The Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei and Indonesia also border the sea and occasionally stop fishing boats in what they consider their territorial waters. China probably has the largest fleet, but that doesn't mean the other countries are j…
OP/TFA implied that it was indeed Chinese, by encroaching on territorial waters and crowding out native fleets. At least that was my reading of the article and the above comment.
Yes, and I was arguing against that idea. The other countries didn't suddenly stop fishing in the area. And FWIW all of them are about equally "native" to the region, as in, people from all the surrounding coasts have been fishing there for centuries. Just the scale is new.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you favor war over dialog, then your opinion would be understandable. Thankfully, most people don't. So it's a good thing the UN exists. It's a forum of dialog, not a parliament to make laws.
It's not as if you can't do dialog without the UN.
Please read at least one book on international diplomacy, then come back.
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#56老外又在黑中国了
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
> UN like a League of Nations is rather a sad joke Well, the UN ultimately mostly reflects actual geopolitical reality. It's not actually a world government, there is no world government. It has the power nation-states choose to give it. The countries that wield vetoes? They also generally wield real "vetoes" IRL, ie., they've got nukes/massive militaries/economies. The formal legal veto they have in the UN merely re…
Very well put. It's one of the things I decry often when talking about european politics. If Europe wants to be taken seriously, it can't just be the French having a medium sized stick to back their soft power.
Europe is one of the biggest economical block, there is already a lot of soft power EU can exert via tariffs and bans.
Military is not as important as it used to be.
Russia is not going to attack EU country ever.
Who is going to buy their gas and oil?
They had to use the 'greenmen' to attack mainland Ukraine in attempt to reduce international backlash.
Re: Unmasking China's Invisible Fleet
#58A fisherman I was speaking to in NZ noted on their ships radar lines of trawlers just outside NZ waters presumably doing the same thing - dragging nets between the trawlers and indiscriminately taking everything - or bottom trawling and mowing the sea floor flat and void of life. It is the tragedy of the commons that we can't manage this shared renewable resource. Canada has destroyed their Atlantic fisheries. If the…
>Canada has destroyed their Atlantic fisheries
Not entirely accurate. There's lots of blame to go around:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_Atlantic_north...
From:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_Atlantic_north...