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Re: Open-Source Music Production Tools

#51

One of the reasons I haven't been able to fully commit to Linux on the desktop is that I haven't been able to find quality music production tools. I always end up going back to macOS because I miss Logic Pro X and Ableton Live too much. Also the audio routing in macOS is so much easier than any other operating system I've encountered. I would love to hear about music studios using FOSS.

I agree, it's difficult to do music on Linux. I almost punched my computer last weekend because it's so hard. However, two things I can say for sure is that the Linux native of Reaper works great and Ubuntu Studio presents a pretty good OOBE with Ardour. Nothing running on Linux compares to Ableton, so if that's your preferred workflow, just stick with that. Now, if someone could just write a good audio editor that w…

> Nothing running on Linux compares to Ableton

Does this statement include your assessment of Bitwig (https://www.bitwig.com/en/home.html)? The company was founded by former Ableton employees and the software is supposed to run on Linux machines...

Re: Open-Source Music Production Tools

#52
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, it's difficult to do music on Linux. I almost punched my computer last weekend because it's so hard. However, two things I can say for sure is that the Linux native of Reaper works great and Ubuntu Studio presents a pretty good OOBE with Ardour. Nothing running on Linux compares to Ableton, so if that's your preferred workflow, just stick with that. Now, if someone could just write a good audio editor that w…

It seems like I have been infrequently using Audacity for close to 20 years now which is surprising to think about. I've used it to slice up tons of live recordings, mix multitrack audio, clean up, remove background noise, dub aging tape reels to digital, add some post-production effects to music tracks, and teach my dad how to use free software to do some of the same stuff. Some of the work was for broadcast and dig…

I have been using Audacity for about 20 years as well, or at least 15. I feel seething hatred for it. I use alternatives where possible, even if I have to pay for them.

Audacity has the dubious distinction of being the only software that, to my knowledge, has directly caused me physical pain and harm. You see, unlike every other application on the planet, the volume slider in Audacity does not control Audacity’s playback volume. Instead, it controls the system volume (why?). Normally I keep my system playback volume at a safe level but Audacity has, on a few occasions, sabotaged my efforts and hurt my ears in the process.

Then there’s the weird way in with Audacity is designed. It seems like it can’t decide whether it’s supposed to be a DAW or an audio editor, and it ends up being terrible at both. Audacity treats audio files as “projects”. If you are just doing some simple editing, then you probably don’t want to save your work as an Audacity project, you probably want to open a PCM file and save your work as PCM files. Audacity steps in your way at every moment, asking you what format you want to convert to, asking you to add tags, converting your file to 32-bit float without asking (even though Audacity supports 16-bit and 24-bit tracks), and then after you save your work, it asks you if you want to lose your work (because Audacity doesn’t think you’ve saved your work unless you save the project).

A normal task I might have for audio editing is to open up a file, do some basic processing, cut it up, and save the pieces. Audacity lacks basic commands like “copy as new file” or “paste as new file”.

So Audacity has taken a simple task which I may need to do over and over again for an hour at a time, and it adds extra steps which are completely ridiculous and unnecessary.

Another simple task is recording a clip of audio. For various reasons, I often record at 48kHz. In Audacity, you can’t change the rate before you record, because the track doesn’t exist yet. So you start recording audio, stop, change the rate through a fiddly little drop-down menu two layers deep. If you want to record from the second input, you CAN’T DO THAT AT ALL, you have to record from both inputs and then delete one of the channels afterwards (why??????????)

There are also a ton of other minor problems floating around—Audacity freezes while you hit “preview” in a filter until the sound is done playing. This is a real double whammy, a real one-two punch, if you remember that Audacity may have decided to usurp control of the system playback volume from the user (again, why? other apps don’t do this).

Then there’s all that effort that Audacity makes to try and be a DAW, but it doesn’t work very well, and it mostly gets in the way of whatever real work you want to be doing. It seems to have the user interface of a non-destructive editor but without actually providing non-destructive editing.

As a final note, Audacity is prone to crashing. A lot. I opened the latest version of Audacity when writing this comment, and in that short time, Audacity has crashed. This matches my memories of it from 10-15 years ago, because Audacity crashed back then, too.

God, I really fucking hate Audacity.

Re: Open-Source Music Production Tools

#53
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like I have been infrequently using Audacity for close to 20 years now which is surprising to think about. I've used it to slice up tons of live recordings, mix multitrack audio, clean up, remove background noise, dub aging tape reels to digital, add some post-production effects to music tracks, and teach my dad how to use free software to do some of the same stuff. Some of the work was for broadcast and dig…

I have been using Audacity for about 20 years as well, or at least 15. I feel seething hatred for it. I use alternatives where possible, even if I have to pay for them. Audacity has the dubious distinction of being the only software that, to my knowledge, has directly caused me physical pain and harm. You see, unlike every other application on the planet, the volume slider in Audacity does not control Audacity’s play…

Honest question: Then why do you keep using it? It's not like it's the only audio editor out there...

Re: Open-Source Music Production Tools

#54
post #50

Naive, under-researched :) question: what Linux-native program lets me import a bunch of audio tracks, arrange them in a timeline with subsample-level resolution, apply nondestructive edits such as crossfades... ...with a fast, simple UI? :) So far I've poked at Ardour, but a) I was pretty sure it was absolute overkill for my simple purposes, b) The program felt kinda clunky, like if I moved wrong it would crash, and…

> Ardour felt kinda clunky, like if I moved wrong it would crash

I'd say Ardour is one of the more mature(re: stable) open-source solutions on linux and has a fair bit of development effort behind it.

Personally usability wise I never quite figured it out, although it seems fairly feature packed (if you can figure it out)

Apparently Qtractor also supports non-destructive audio editing but I haven't really tried it yet.

Aside from that I know this is a thread on open-source, but I will point out Reaper has experimental native Linux builds which I've found to work quite well and Reaper (not $0, but minor nag screen) is also non-destructive.

Re: Open-Source Music Production Tools

#55
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been using Audacity for about 20 years as well, or at least 15. I feel seething hatred for it. I use alternatives where possible, even if I have to pay for them. Audacity has the dubious distinction of being the only software that, to my knowledge, has directly caused me physical pain and harm. You see, unlike every other application on the planet, the volume slider in Audacity does not control Audacity’s play…

Honest question: Then why do you keep using it? It's not like it's the only audio editor out there...

I usually don’t. I use Amadeus Lite, which I paid $25 for and I am quite happy with.

However, sometimes I am stuck doing audio work on Linux or Windows, or on a system which is not my own.

Re: Open-Source Music Production Tools

#56
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, it's difficult to do music on Linux. I almost punched my computer last weekend because it's so hard. However, two things I can say for sure is that the Linux native of Reaper works great and Ubuntu Studio presents a pretty good OOBE with Ardour. Nothing running on Linux compares to Ableton, so if that's your preferred workflow, just stick with that. Now, if someone could just write a good audio editor that w…

As somebody who has only used Audacity and Pure Data, what's an example of a good audio editor?

I use Amadeus. The ones I hear about most are Sound Forge and Adobe Audition. I think you’d only use Audition if you already had a Creative Cloud subscription. I’m also aware of alternatives like WaveLab, TwistedWave, Fission, Acoustica, and ocenaudio.

ocenaudio is probably the direct competitor to Audacity, since they’re both free.

Re: Open-Source Music Production Tools

#57
post #50

Naive, under-researched :) question: what Linux-native program lets me import a bunch of audio tracks, arrange them in a timeline with subsample-level resolution, apply nondestructive edits such as crossfades... ...with a fast, simple UI? :) So far I've poked at Ardour, but a) I was pretty sure it was absolute overkill for my simple purposes, b) The program felt kinda clunky, like if I moved wrong it would crash, and…

Audacity works well for that purpose. But not all things are intuitive and the interface looks quite dated to be honest.

Re: Open-Source Music Production Tools

#58

Hello! I'm the author of this page. I realize that a few tools might be missing. Happy to hear all suggestions. In the meantime, if you want this list in Google sheet, you can make a copy of this one: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YfVyZHy83WHIiZmQJwHh...

Do you accept suggestions for missing tools?

I've noticed that Surge [0] was missing, it's a softsynth made by the same dev that now works on Bitwig Studio.

0: https://surge-synthesizer.github.io/

Re: Open-Source Music Production Tools

#59
post #37

Hello! I'm the author of this page. I realize that a few tools might be missing. Happy to hear all suggestions. In the meantime, if you want this list in Google sheet, you can make a copy of this one: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YfVyZHy83WHIiZmQJwHh...

You have LinuxSampler listed as GPL licensed, but it's actually source-available proprietary software. From http://www.linuxsampler.org/downloads.html : "LinuxSampler is licensed under the GNU GPL with the exception that USAGE of the source code, libraries and applications FOR COMMERCIAL HARDWARE OR SOFTWARE PRODUCTS IS NOT ALLOWED without prior written permission by the LinuxSampler authors." This directly contradic…

Well, if anything, it's more honest than GPL.

Re: Open-Source Music Production Tools

#60
post #49

One of the reasons I haven't been able to fully commit to Linux on the desktop is that I haven't been able to find quality music production tools. I always end up going back to macOS because I miss Logic Pro X and Ableton Live too much. Also the audio routing in macOS is so much easier than any other operating system I've encountered. I would love to hear about music studios using FOSS.

Bigwig Studio ( https://www.bitwig.com/en/bitwig-studio.html ) isn't open source bit definitely comparable to the tools you mentioned. Coupled with the JACK audio routing.... thing it's pretty great for audio production.

The best. Also I think your autocorrect got you: It's "Bitwig"
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