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Re: Unidentified Federal Law Enforcement Detaining Protestors Without Explanation

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Post by jwilber »

blisseyGo wrote: post #45
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You still haven’t responded to the strongest part of the argument here: I’m what ways do you believe any of this justifies kidnapping people?

Kidnapping? Really? The officers have POLICE on their chest in big letters. People getting arrested have helmets, bats and window breaking tools on. They aren't "protestors". They are preventing peaceful protestors. Also there's some claims of some of them being undercover agents who have infiltrated Antifa though I am not sure if that can be confirmed.

You claim, “People getting arrested have helmets...” and that, “They aren’t protestors.” - here’s a video of a peaceful protestor getting taken in an unmarked vehicle [0]. Sadly, plenty more exist of similar conduct.

But two responses later and you’ve still ignored the question: what difference does it make what they’ve done - why defend unmarked police? I’ve taken the time to show evidence that it’s occurred, it’d be nice if you reciprocated some effort.

[0]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sandiegouniontribune.com/ne...

Re: Unidentified Federal Law Enforcement Detaining Protestors Without Explanation

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Post by mtgp1000 »

gruez wrote: post #41
mtgp1000 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At some point people become enough of a liability that we collectively as a society have authorized the restriction of their rights. This is a literally subversive movement. I'm not exaggerating or choosing a side. Watch the livestreams yourself - these people explicitly seek to subvert, dismantle, and replace modern "power structures" (intentionally left vague). Whether you agree with what these people think they're…

>At some point people become enough of a liability that we collectively as a society have authorized the restriction of their rights. So tyranny of the majority is fine? I'm sure you can apply the same justification to what's happening in Xinjiang. Also, where's this "authorization" stemming from? Did we explicitly authorize it? Or was it implied by our inaction?

>So tyranny of the majority is fine

Perhaps it is preferable to tyranny by the minority.

>authorization" stemming from? Did we explicitly authorize it? Or was it implied by our inaction?

Did you authorize the taxes you pay, or where they go? Isn't this the so called social contract?

And please, my family fled true tyranny, I assure you nothing the US is doing is quite comperable to the CCP. Westerners don't know tyranny. They've grown so comfortable that they can take to the streets for weeks and complain about the very government that supports them.

Try doing that in the USSR or any Chines state outside of Hong Kong or Taiwan.

Re: Unidentified Federal Law Enforcement Detaining Protestors Without Explanation

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Post by WalterGR »

blisseyGo wrote: post #32
xxpor wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Give me a break. These aren't the Bolsheviks fighting the white army. The dude in the video was never told where he was or why he was arrested. He didn't know he was in the federal courthouse until after he was released. These guys don't even have badges ffs. If someone shot these guys, I don't see how that wouldn't be considered self-defense. Let's see what DHS is complaining about: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/…

> A lot of broken windows, graffiti and fireworks. Those are federal property and feds have full rights to do this. Also a lot of people who are being arrested are from another state. That's been the case for at least 45 days now. There's a point where the feds have to step in since the local people in that area are being terrorized. I have friends in that area and they are all planing to move out of the city because…

I have friends in that area who feel perfectly safe and think the mayor, DA, and governor are doing fine. Other fiends of mine are moving there.

Re: Unidentified Federal Law Enforcement Detaining Protestors Without Explanation

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Post by fzeroracer »

mtgp1000 wrote: post #52
gruez wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>At some point people become enough of a liability that we collectively as a society have authorized the restriction of their rights. So tyranny of the majority is fine? I'm sure you can apply the same justification to what's happening in Xinjiang. Also, where's this "authorization" stemming from? Did we explicitly authorize it? Or was it implied by our inaction?

>So tyranny of the majority is fine Perhaps it is preferable to tyranny by the minority. >authorization" stemming from? Did we explicitly authorize it? Or was it implied by our inaction? Did you authorize the taxes you pay, or where they go? Isn't this the so called social contract? And please, my family fled true tyranny, I assure you nothing the US is doing is quite comperable to the CCP. Westerners don't know tyra…

It's interesting given your posting history that you seem to be more concerned about cancel culture than you are the feds quite literally whisking someone away and violating their rights.

I think you're a liar. You're not here to post in good faith. You're just another alt-right troll stirring up shit.

Re: Unidentified Federal Law Enforcement Detaining Protestors Without Explanation

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Post by WalterGR »

blisseyGo wrote: post #25
tehwebguy wrote: post #22

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Local law enforcement have been arresting violent and non-violent protestors alike throughout the last few months, I’m not sure where you are getting the idea that they haven’t been.

No. Local law enforcement is being handicapped by mayors and DAs who are letting go of the violent rioters free without any charges.

Could you provide some examples for this claim as well as your others?

Re: Unidentified Federal Law Enforcement Detaining Protestors Without Explanation

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

blisseyGo wrote: post #45
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You still haven’t responded to the strongest part of the argument here: I’m what ways do you believe any of this justifies kidnapping people?

Kidnapping? Really? The officers have POLICE on their chest in big letters. People getting arrested have helmets, bats and window breaking tools on. They aren't "protestors". They are preventing peaceful protestors. Also there's some claims of some of them being undercover agents who have infiltrated Antifa though I am not sure if that can be confirmed.

I can get my friend who owns a fabric printer to print “POLICE” on to every piece of clothing I own.

Does that make me identifiably a law enforcement officer?

Re: Unidentified Federal Law Enforcement Detaining Protestors Without Explanation

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Post by fredophile »

blisseyGo wrote: post #26
gruez wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>People sharing videos of this share either selectively edited videos without context OR they only share the ending part where they are arrested and not the part where they were instigating violence in the peaceful protests. I'm not sure the video that you've linked is any better. It's basically someone dismissing it saying they were bad people who deserved it. It adds zero information.

Here's one example where the dude who got arrested has a helmet on. Why's that needed in peaceful protests? Also note the thing he has on his left side. That's an attachment to break car windows: https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1283452585945583618

Maybe he's worried the peaceful protest will get less peaceful. There could be agitators sneaking into the crowd to stir things up. Counter protests by people with firearms. Cops shooting protesters with rubber bullets. Those all seem like plausible scenarios to me.

I couldn't identify what he had on his left side from that video. How did you come to the conclusion it was meant to break windows?

Re: Unidentified Federal Law Enforcement Detaining Protestors Without Explanation

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Post by fredophile »

blisseyGo wrote: post #48
gruez wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we're going to continue the chain of speculation without providing additional evidence... > the dude who got arrested has a helmet on. Why's that needed in peaceful protests? Same reason why people wear helmets when riding a bike: even if they're not intending on smashing their head, accidents happen, so it's better to be protected. Protests do occasionally turn violent, so that's not too unreasonable. Also keep i…

You are being dishonest on purpose if you think wearing a helmet and dressed up as Antifa is peaceful protesting.

What does Antifa wear? How do you feel about people that open carry at protests?

Re: Unidentified Federal Law Enforcement Detaining Protestors Without Explanation

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Post by fredophile »

blisseyGo wrote: post #23
ModernMech wrote: post #15

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Fta: “interviews conducted by OPB show officers are also detaining people on Portland streets who aren’t near federal property, nor is it clear that all of the people being arrested have engaged in criminal activity. Demonstrators like O’Shea and Pettibone said they think they were targeted by federal officers for simply wearing black clothing in the area of the demonstration.“

> who aren’t near federal property, nor is it clear that all of the people being arrested have engaged in criminal activity That's misleading. They are being recorded while they are being violent within the peaceful protests. They are being arrested when they leave because Feds don't want to disrupt the peaceful protests - so they arrest them when they leave the area. I have watched a few videos of this happening and…

Do you have links to those videos? The link you provided doesn't show any indication that the person being detained committed a crime.

Re: Unidentified Federal Law Enforcement Detaining Protestors Without Explanation

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Post by Thorrez »

blisseyGo wrote: post #26
gruez wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>People sharing videos of this share either selectively edited videos without context OR they only share the ending part where they are arrested and not the part where they were instigating violence in the peaceful protests. I'm not sure the video that you've linked is any better. It's basically someone dismissing it saying they were bad people who deserved it. It adds zero information.

Here's one example where the dude who got arrested has a helmet on. Why's that needed in peaceful protests? Also note the thing he has on his left side. That's an attachment to break car windows: https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1283452585945583618

A number of peaceful protesters have been injured by rubber bullets, so it makes sense to wear a helmet.
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