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Nikon Issues Small Recall for a 16-Year-Old Film Camera

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Re: Nikon Issues Small Recall for a 16-Year-Old Film Camera

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Post by jjeaff »

fuzzythinker wrote: post #47
gruturo wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be honest, a train leaving early SUCKS. You show up on time, and you find out you missed it. Maybe the next one is in 40 minutes, maybe it's the next day. (I realize 20 seconds early isn't that bad, but still, leaving early by any amount of time is a lot worse than leaving late)

At least they feel bad and apologized. Caltrain leaves early 20+ secs all the time and they cared less.

It's not about the apology, I think. It's about the fact that in order to issue am apology, the thing you are apologizing for must be out of the ordinary.

Call Trans could issue an apology and it wouldn't help. Because they would just have a daily apology log filled to the brim.

Re: Nikon Issues Small Recall for a 16-Year-Old Film Camera

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Post by meatmanek »

sudosysgen wrote: post #42
ars wrote: post #34

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Looks like it costs $2,549. Which doesn't really seem profitable in volumes that low.

It's quite mechanically and electronically simple, though, by modern standards.

And some of the more complicated or precision components (shutter, mirror, viewfinder screen + prism, lens mount, autofocus motor, autofocus and autoexposure sensors) exist in similar forms on newer products and may be able to share production lines to some extent.

Re: Nikon Issues Small Recall for a 16-Year-Old Film Camera

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Post by kortilla »

johnwalkr wrote: post #49
apengwin wrote: post #24

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I think this is why trains and airplanes tend to be delayed so much. It is much better to be late than to leave early. A train that's late will usually still eventually arrive.

At Tokyo Narita airport, it is (well, was) running at capacity and if a flight is delayed, another flight may be rescheduled to an earlier time.

NRT... ugh, flights so stacked going in that a plane failing to clear the runway fast enough resulted in us having to go-around and re-enter the deep approach queue. A nice 30 minutes added to an already 12 hour flight...

Re: Nikon Issues Small Recall for a 16-Year-Old Film Camera

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Post by ardy42 »

fuzzythinker wrote: post #47
gruturo wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be honest, a train leaving early SUCKS. You show up on time, and you find out you missed it. Maybe the next one is in 40 minutes, maybe it's the next day. (I realize 20 seconds early isn't that bad, but still, leaving early by any amount of time is a lot worse than leaving late)

At least they feel bad and apologized. Caltrain leaves early 20+ secs all the time and they cared less.

> At least they feel bad and apologized. Caltrain leaves early 20+ secs all the time and they cared less.

How confident are you that your clock wasn't 20 seconds slow?

https://www.electro-tech-online.com/threads/cell-phone-clock...

> I have a company where everyone has a phone that used the same calender program, same service, same type of phone, etc. At 8:50 and again at 9:00 every phone will ding to announce 9:00 meeting. There is no 0.01 second syncing of the phones. The time might be exactly the same but the "dings" happens over 30 seconds. Then one phone might be a good minute or more off. (usually mine) There are many times where the dings are within 5 seconds.

Re: Nikon Issues Small Recall for a 16-Year-Old Film Camera

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Post by lstamour »

supernova87a wrote: post #29
renewiltord wrote: post #25

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In this case, it's annoying because you'll have missed a semi-rapid and the next comparable train to Tsukuba will leave 9 minutes later and arrive 17 minutes later. It's not a 40 minute thing, this isn't Caltrain, but it's still annoying.

I loved (not really) how sometimes on Caltrain, if the trains were delayed, you could get on a delayed train after you had planned to travel, and get home sooner than if the trains had been running on time. (I'll let you think on that puzzle.)

The same often happened when I travelled by train in Ontario (Canada) where the trains shared the line with freight service, and so sometimes a train was poorly timed such that it always had to wait for freight to clear first. In those cases, if a train was delayed, the delay occurred at the station such that by the time the train left the station, the freight had already cleared and the time spent on the train was less than it normally would be. Also, delays often meant the train had fewer passengers, so it would stop for less time at each stop... am I on the right track? ;-)

Re: Nikon Issues Small Recall for a 16-Year-Old Film Camera

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Post by mook »

abeppu wrote: post #7

I've never worked in a context that made complex physical goods. Is it surprising to others that they even know which specific 152 cameras were over-plasticized?

Given that the list of serial numbers are non-consecutive (and one of them in a run of consecutive numbers went to a vendor in Austria per the article linked elsewhere in the comments), perhaps they're only recalling the ones that went to Europe where the regulation is in place?

Re: Nikon Issues Small Recall for a 16-Year-Old Film Camera

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Post by paulmd »

perardi wrote: post #3

Nikon still sells the Nikon F6 film camera. All existing stock was probably manufactured a loooong time ago, but it is still technically a current product, so I imagine they’re obligated to provide support and government-mandated environmental fixes. https://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/filmcamera/slr/f6/ (I’d love to see the sales numbers for the F6. I can’t even guess the order of magnitude of global sales per year. 1?…

I would guess on the order of 1000 globally per year, with a lot of those being in Japan. Japan fucking loves film. Maybe a hundred or two hundred in the US.

Maybe 100 on the low end.

edit: from a sister comment the number is approximately 270 per year globally.

Re: Nikon Issues Small Recall for a 16-Year-Old Film Camera

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Post by paulmd »

perardi wrote: post #17
formerly_proven wrote: post #15

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I still occasionally use a now over 40 years old Nikon FE that, despite having never been serviced as far as I can tell, still works flawlessly. It even does some things better than even the most modern DSLRs, it can, for example automatically expose exposures several minutes long correctly (far outside spec, but works). Impeccable quality. The old Ai-S lenses, too, entirely made from glass, brass, aluminium and some…

Which is why I’m always surprised the F6, to borrow a phrase from Apple, “remains a product in our lineup”. There’s so many used and seemingly indestructible film cameras floating around. I guess there’s some market for a factory-warranty film SLR, but I’m not sure what said market is. If I was going to shoot film, I’d find a Nikon F5, which would also double as a medieval flail for self-defense. (Or I’d pull my 1983…

The F6 is the most advanced and capable film DSLR ever built. If you want/need to shoot film and you shoot subjects that are commonly done with modern digital SLRs and considered out of reach of a film camera, the F6 is the best game in town. The fastest and lowest-light-capable autofocus, the best matrix metering, digital recording of exposure data (just like EXIF but for film!), etc. It is a modern pro camera that happens to shoot film.

Most people don’t need it but it’s certainly unique. If you do need it, there is no substitute.

Nikon actually has a history of doing that as well. The Nikonos series underwater cameras were really the only thing in their class, with unique water-contact optics that avoided rainbow diffraction from the port by putting the optics right against the water. They also made unique 180-degree orthographic lenses for atmospheric surveying - measure cloud cover/etc by photographing the sky every day and get the full horizon to horizon in one frame. etc etc. They really are a fascinating company.

Check out the 1001 Nights of Nikkor, a fascinating series of stories about all that stuff.

https://imaging.nikon.com/history/story/

Re: Nikon Issues Small Recall for a 16-Year-Old Film Camera

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Post by rangibaby »

perardi wrote: post #17
formerly_proven wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still occasionally use a now over 40 years old Nikon FE that, despite having never been serviced as far as I can tell, still works flawlessly. It even does some things better than even the most modern DSLRs, it can, for example automatically expose exposures several minutes long correctly (far outside spec, but works). Impeccable quality. The old Ai-S lenses, too, entirely made from glass, brass, aluminium and some…

Which is why I’m always surprised the F6, to borrow a phrase from Apple, “remains a product in our lineup”. There’s so many used and seemingly indestructible film cameras floating around. I guess there’s some market for a factory-warranty film SLR, but I’m not sure what said market is. If I was going to shoot film, I’d find a Nikon F5, which would also double as a medieval flail for self-defense. (Or I’d pull my 1983…

> There’s so many used and seemingly indestructible film cameras floating around. I guess there’s some market for a factory-warranty film SLR, but I’m not sure what said market is. If I was going to shoot film, I’d find a Nikon F5, which would also double as a medieval flail for self-defense.

I heard a couple of years back that Japanese police bought F6s for evidence photography.

There is also a market of camera users who just want the "best", newest thing, with the most features. Look at the difference in prices between the Nikon FE or FM and FM3A, when they are barely different for a photographer with even modest skills

/edit or the Nikon F6 and F100

Re: Nikon Issues Small Recall for a 16-Year-Old Film Camera

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Post by rangibaby »

snowwrestler wrote: post #5
perardi wrote: post #3

Nikon still sells the Nikon F6 film camera. All existing stock was probably manufactured a loooong time ago, but it is still technically a current product, so I imagine they’re obligated to provide support and government-mandated environmental fixes. https://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/filmcamera/slr/f6/ (I’d love to see the sales numbers for the F6. I can’t even guess the order of magnitude of global sales per year. 1?…

As of December 2019, Nikon was still building new units of the F6. https://petapixel.com/2019/12/10/you-can-still-buy-a-brand-n...

There have been consistent rumors that Fujifilm stopped making most or all of their films around 2005 and have been selling old stock since then. I wouldn't be surprised if the same held true for Nikon F6
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