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Pinboard Turns Eleven

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Re: Pinboard Turns Eleven

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Pinboard is my secret weapon for those obnoxious lists of citations I sometimes get to spackle onto the end of comments on the internet. I've been on there since December 27, 2010 (Merry Christmas to me), and currently have 8,698 bookmarks across 1,544 different tags. I'd have a few hundred more if I could hurry up and transfer all the open tabs from ios safari. ...so I'm genuinely worried about those declining user…

> ...so I'm genuinely worried about those declining user numbers My story might be relevant. I only recently learned about Pinboard. $22/year isn't terrible, but it's just a bookmarking service. Free trial? Nope - you need to pull out your credit card and fork over $22. You get seven days to request a refund. (Will I actually get it? No idea who's holding my money.) He's happy to boast about competitors disappearing,…

Well, ask yourself this: what's the concrete value proposition you're buying into? "bookmarking" in itself is way too general and leaves you wondering why you want to spend 22$.

You're actually (a) leasing usage of affordances provided by a system which someone else took the time to design and build, and (b) leasing hosting for your collection of bookmarks on someone else's system.

Why would you do that? Because you don't want to do any of these things: You don't want to spend time downloading and installing some bookmarking program, you don't want to design and build it yourself, you don't want to deal with storing data locally (even though it might be really a simple sqlite3 database).

Likely, you've rationalized you're lack of want through convenience, security, risk of data loss, someone else has done a better job at "solving bookmarking", etc. etc.

This is a line of reasoning which is perfectly valid. It's totally fine just subscribe to a service. However, it just so happens that your demand for such a service creates a market. And it's equally valid for others to charge you for what they offer.

Everything else is just opportunity cost calculations on your end. You don't want to fork over 22$? That's valid. But then you have to abide by whatever else the market is going to offer. If Pinboard ends up losing subscribers to Microsoft and sunsetting, then that has nothing to do with the quality of the service, but the very fact that potential customers are far too keen on compromising what they want, need and value in favour of the free, yet less-then-ideal offering from a corporate competitor.

The problem with "free" is that it's the very bottom of the barrel. It doesn't pay the operating costs of a service. The difference between Microsoft and Pinboard is that the former has the financial leverage to cover the costs of a "free" tier. It's this leverage that defines the edge when it comes to conquering markets, as it allows corporations such as Microsoft to set up a far more effective sales funnel. It just so happens that it also drives competitors out of a market, and stalls any form of innovation. As far as Microsoft is concerned, they have no need to build a Pinboard clone with feature parity, if customers are all too willing to abide with whatever OneNote allows them to do, even when that's less then ideal.

In short, there's simply no such thing as a free lunch. Even if the market tries to convince you otherwise. It's totally valid to feel that Microsoft is "horrible", but by the same token, customers eagerly relying on "free" services equally sets the bar for them to simply get away with "horrible".

Re: Pinboard Turns Eleven

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have two use cases. The first is to keep track of interesting articles I find and plausibly want to refer back to in the future. A 3rd party browser extension and mobile app make saving very easy, and then I tag each item with a high-level category. This is also pretty painless, and brings a lot of value (otherwise you just have an unsorted collection of links - not helpful). An example is my 'long reads' tag https…

> otherwise you just have an unsorted collection of links - not helpful Yeah I think this is my problem. I’m on iOS so I use Safari’s reading list feature to keep track of articles I want to read. But it’s just a dump, no organization, and after I read an article I don’t know what to “do” with it anymore so I just delete it. I think I need to figure out a system where I actually refer back to things because I seem to…

> system where I actually refer back to things because I seem to google for the same things over and over again

Yep, this often frustratingly turns nothing up for me. Hence, Pinboard :)

Re: Pinboard Turns Eleven

#53

Oh dear. I'm a positive newbie here! Found my original receipt; 1st Jan 2015 for the princely sum of $10,60 for lifetime membership. And I only have a measley 1680 links saved. It's always a gamble with these one-time lifetime offers as you never know if the site's even going to be there in a few months time. But, even if Pinboard folded tomorrow, I'd still consider I got a great bargain. I must admit my heart sank a…

Out of curiosity, what do you use to store and search bookmarks on mobile? Both the old (third-party) iOS app I used to use and the old macOS app I used to use have stopped working years ago due to neglect. So I use the service pretty sparingly on desktop and pretty much not at all on mobile.

Re: Pinboard Turns Eleven

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That picture of past you... what is going on? On the table I see the following beverages: wine, liquor, coffee, water. There's also a cheese grater. And what looks to be a bottle of pills. Okay. Now on the window sill behind you is ... I don't even know, coffee, a cleaning product, some napkins maybe, another wine bottle and other sundry items.

This looks like maybe a table shoved into the corner of a tiny restaurant, away from the main area.

Apparently it's night time.

I guess it's as good a place to write code as any other. :-)

Re: Pinboard Turns Eleven

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Pinboard is my secret weapon for those obnoxious lists of citations I sometimes get to spackle onto the end of comments on the internet. I've been on there since December 27, 2010 (Merry Christmas to me), and currently have 8,698 bookmarks across 1,544 different tags. I'd have a few hundred more if I could hurry up and transfer all the open tabs from ios safari. ...so I'm genuinely worried about those declining user…

You're worrying about a business with a estimated minimum profit margin of 79%, using the most pessimistic assumptions I could think of. I wouldn't be worrying yet.

In 2017^: revenue was $259k, costs were estimated $17k, archives 31.8TBy, 126M URLs.

In 2020: revenue was $212k, costs were not specified, archives 82TBy, 192M URLs.

Archives are 2.58x higher, URLs are 1.52x higher. So taking the higher of the two multiples and pessimistically multiplying the 2017 costs of $17k (the cloud has gotten cheaper but let's ignore that), we get $44k in costs (this is probably too high by 2x), leaving a profit of $168k.

Users dropped from 29K to 19K, so you should start worrying when users reaches 5K, assuming that costs scale linearly with data (which they definitely do not).

In all likelihood, you probably don't need to worry until users reaches 2K. At current rate, that's probably about a decade, assuming ten more years of no changes to the site (such as mobile support) and etc.

^ https://blog.pinboard.in/2016/07/pinboard_turns_seven/

Re: Pinboard Turns Eleven

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Oh dear. I'm a positive newbie here! Found my original receipt; 1st Jan 2015 for the princely sum of $10,60 for lifetime membership. And I only have a measley 1680 links saved. It's always a gamble with these one-time lifetime offers as you never know if the site's even going to be there in a few months time. But, even if Pinboard folded tomorrow, I'd still consider I got a great bargain. I must admit my heart sank a…

Out of curiosity, what do you use to store and search bookmarks on mobile? Both the old (third-party) iOS app I used to use and the old macOS app I used to use have stopped working years ago due to neglect. So I use the service pretty sparingly on desktop and pretty much not at all on mobile.

I use Pinner on iOS. While I get the impression it's not actively maintained, it appears to still be working. I use it to store bookmarks from iOS Chrome on a regular basis (did so just earlier and the bookmark is up on Pinboard).

Re: Pinboard Turns Eleven

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Can you all share your workflow/use cases with this and other bookmarking services? I’m geniounly curious because the way I treat bookmarks is that they are temporary links I wanna go back to, so they all end up being deleted sooner rather than later. When I want to visit a website I just type in the website’s name in my browser and either let autocomplete do its magic, or just let it take me to Google where I tap on…

I use Pinboard in combination with a Raspberry Pi (running Calibre + Mozilla Readability) as my Read Later service. Once per day the Raspberry Pi fetches unread bookmarks from Pinboard and compiles an eBook that is then sent wirelessly to my Kindle. This has replaced Instapaper/Pocket for me. Thanks to Mozilla Readability the text/image extraction works in most cases better than other Read Later services + I like having all my bookmarks in one place (and one service less to pay money for!). I've written a blog post about it and open-sourced all my work: https://christianhans.info/12791/running-your-own-read-later...

Re: Pinboard Turns Eleven

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post #54

That picture of past you... what is going on? On the table I see the following beverages: wine, liquor, coffee, water. There's also a cheese grater. And what looks to be a bottle of pills. Okay. Now on the window sill behind you is ... I don't even know, coffee, a cleaning product, some napkins maybe, another wine bottle and other sundry items. This looks like maybe a table shoved into the corner of a tiny restaurant…

From a past update:

"I launched the site in July 9, 2009 from a small kitchen in Botoșani, Romania."

https://blog.pinboard.in/2019/07/i_cant_stop_winning/

I suspect that's the kitchen :) My own kitchen table during this confinement period isn't too dissimilar...

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