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Drug overdoses are soaring during the coronavirus pandemic

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Re: Drug overdoses are soaring during the coronavirus pandemic

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I remember talking to a technically minded friend about my clinical depression, and I remember how she mentioned building an app to help solve it. I remember thinking at the time how sometimes building an app isn't the solution to a problem. Sometimes the best solutions are the simplest, most straightforward, and the least innovative ones: voting in policymakers who craft empathetic public policy, donating to charity…

As long as it's not written in JS,right? Your friend's solution to the problem,while quite hilarious, shows a complete lack of understanding of how the world works among some techies. That's why we end up with AI based dog leash, remote juice press,or watches that do everything but show time...

Re: Drug overdoses are soaring during the coronavirus pandemic

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For Vancouverites, you can get free take-home drug testing kits, here:

http://www.vch.ca/public-health/harm-reduction/overdose-prev...

There's not a whole lotta point, since everything has Fentanyl in it these days, except pot (probably)

And free Naloxone (Narcan) kits at Shopper's Drug Mart, London Drugs, and other places:

https://towardtheheart.com/site-finder

They only ask your age and whether this is your first kit. No ID required

There were 131 overdose calls in Vancouver yesterday

Re: Drug overdoses are soaring during the coronavirus pandemic

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post #8

I remember talking to a technically minded friend about my clinical depression, and I remember how she mentioned building an app to help solve it. I remember thinking at the time how sometimes building an app isn't the solution to a problem. Sometimes the best solutions are the simplest, most straightforward, and the least innovative ones: voting in policymakers who craft empathetic public policy, donating to charity…

That's a hilarious sort of tech delusion that people make fun of Surely a react app is the only thing in the way between global peace and happiness and harmony, let's just make a nice webpage and raise hundreds of millions of dollars for it :)

It's also somewhat delusional to think that things will change if you just vote really hard and tell your friends to vote really hard.

Re: Drug overdoses are soaring during the coronavirus pandemic

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Back when this started I made the claim that the long term consequences of lock down would exceed the short term benefits . Depression, Drugs overdose, murder (despair), Suicide, extra sedentary issues leading to diabetese/CVD, loss of jobs/meaning et al. I havent seen anyone do the math of the uptick there to talk about the marginal benefit of lockdown or the fact that this, once again, is a form of biased benefit f…

I hear these sorts of sentiments from the USA a lot - where apparently people are actively rioting and protesting against the health lockdown.

I'm from Australia - where while we've had some grumblings about the health measures, on the whole, we've been pretty lucky. Our death toll is 104 people - which even though (comparative) low is still a tragedy.

Yet the USA death toll is over 130,000 people - that is a terrible thing =(. I do not get how the USA can be so blase about it.

And that is with measures in place (although I'm sure there are breaches). Imagine if you simply let it run rampant, and let the health system get overhwelmed? (See Italy).

It does seem like its overwhelming the young who are very laid back about COVID-19, and chaff the most at restrictions.

To be frank - that seems very selfish.

Imagine if the virus had a 30% mortality rate in your cohort? You'd be terrified.

(I'm young, with two young kids under 5. My parents refused to see me or our kids for a couple of months, out of fear they might catch it from us - I missed them as did their grandkids, but I understand why - it must have been scary for them).

And even that aside - have you considered that a lot of the economic downturn isn't from the actual health measures in place - but from the uncertainty, doubt and fear caused by a virus pandemic? People are scared, and that's naturally going to curb some spending. We are a interlinked global economy, and you cannot escape that.

I hope that we'll have a vaccine soon, so we can go back to normal - but in lieu of that, trying to stamp out the virus or contain it isn't a bad goal.

Re: Drug overdoses are soaring during the coronavirus pandemic

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post #6

A lot of drug trade has stopped due to border closures. Obviously cannot reveal sources. I guess technically i am the source of info, knowing folks who are nervous to make house payments due to mexico border

A lot of not-that-illegal-but-still-illegal drugs that are manufactured in bulk in China and India are still coming in just fine.

Source: my sources.

Re: Drug overdoses are soaring during the coronavirus pandemic

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Back when this started I made the claim that the long term consequences of lock down would exceed the short term benefits . Depression, Drugs overdose, murder (despair), Suicide, extra sedentary issues leading to diabetese/CVD, loss of jobs/meaning et al. I havent seen anyone do the math of the uptick there to talk about the marginal benefit of lockdown or the fact that this, once again, is a form of biased benefit f…

Also - I should mention - it's the job of governments to guide their people through these sorts of pandemics, natural disasters etc.

This is why government are engaging in stimulus spending, or increasing their social support programs.

This is why they exist.

Re: Drug overdoses are soaring during the coronavirus pandemic

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The same is happening in Canada, it's because addicts are able to get money from the government and they buy far more drugs than they're used to having. Edit: all the people downvoting me, why? not a single comment seriously, this isn't a theory, it's just the facts https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cerb-pandemic-opioid-addict...

It's not this. After all to get CERB you need to show how you've been put out of work due to covid 19. How do you do this when you have no job or fixed address? How do you do this if you're a sex worker selling sex for survival and your occupation is illegal?

A side effect of covid19 is that drugs have become more scarce and expensive due to the border shutdown. This may be having an impact.

Re: Drug overdoses are soaring during the coronavirus pandemic

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post #31

People are desperate. This is to be expected. Along with unemployment, loneliness, hopelessness, helplessness, stress, fear, and anxiety have all risen greatly. This is how people cope when they are not in control of their lives and especially when they don't see a path to regain that control. I would expect more of this. Drug overdoses were already a huge issue because of societal issues. Now, they will be even more…

I'm not sure I agree with the statement that the US has the "worst virus situation".

It has some of the most cases, sure, if you compare it by population though, it's still high, but it's not horrible. The US is #12 for cases per capita, most European countries are between 4,000-6,000 cases per capita, while the US is at 8,500, which is definitely more. But fewer people die per capita than in the UK, France, Spain, Sweden, Italy, and some other minor countries.

It isn't like the US has orders of magnitude more infections per capita, and there's more people dying per capita in many other major countries. In such countries you'd have about the same chance of catching the virus, and a greater change of dying, as in the US.

The majority of people that are refusing to wear masks are doing so because they believe the science/data supports that decision. You might disagree with that, and whether the science/data actually supports it is a different discussion, but they aren't just being "childish" and refusing to follow recommendations for no reason.

I think there's obviously political power to gain in making the situation look as bad as possible, so that a group can then use that as a foothold to advance their own political policies. It's unfortunate that the issue is so political already. But you can easily tell when it's happening when people are referring to "society failing" and needing to "reshape society" and saying how horrible it is in the US when it really isn't that bad, etc. You can't advance new politics without a narrative of the old way of things being bad.

I guess you can easily argue that there's political power for me to downplay the situation and make it look as good as possible, in order to prevent new politics from advancing. And that's true. But it's good to at least share both sides of the story.

Re: Drug overdoses are soaring during the coronavirus pandemic

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post #31

People are desperate. This is to be expected. Along with unemployment, loneliness, hopelessness, helplessness, stress, fear, and anxiety have all risen greatly. This is how people cope when they are not in control of their lives and especially when they don't see a path to regain that control. I would expect more of this. Drug overdoses were already a huge issue because of societal issues. Now, they will be even more…

As a recovering alcoholic I'm incredibly grateful to have built a toolkit to stay sober. Getting sober is a nightmare in the best of times. People in AA – which I haven't attended regularly for a few years – talk about being a "grateful alchoholic". It bothered when I heard that. I just wanted to have some bourbon and not put myself and others at risk. But over time I realized that they're grateful because getting sober forced them to deal with life in healthier ways. Or to deal with it at all.

While I don't think all of people that are overdosing are "addicts" per se, I know many non-addicts that don't deal well with life that great. Sure, they're fine when everything is going pretty well, but they fall down when the going gets tough.

I feel for people. I've never felt despair or shame like I did when I hit bottom.

Much luck and love to everyone out there. Life gets difficult, and sometimes it gets really, really difficult. Lean on people if you can, anyone that you can. Find a community if you can, online or not.

I know this advice rings hollow when people are worried about putting food on the table or keeping a roof over their head or just trying to stay safe. But you can do this. Don't worry about thriving, just survive.

Sorry, for the rambling, this just really hit home.

Re: Drug overdoses are soaring during the coronavirus pandemic

#60
post #38

I lived alone for 2 years but most of the day I was out, working and doing my stuff. Some weekends when I had nothing to do and no one to hang out with I kind of felt what loneliness is. Not that it was a big problem to me then as I can entertain myself with a good book, a game, some movies, etc, but several weeks of that would've been very different. Loneliness can hit you hard, very hard. And on top of that if you…

Similar : moved cross country for work, felt for a few days lonely, then somehow thought "not as lonely as pets in shelters", adopted one, total improvement for both!
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