The United States is not much better in terms of this. We have a free press in name only. If you are saying something that certain people don’t like, you are canceled. Your tweets will be taken down since you violated weakly worded community standards. You will be flagged on HN. Etc. Ultimately we have a dictatorship of ideas. The best answer so far is to go make a freedom platform with blackjack and hookers. Essenti…
Turkey determined to control social media platforms, Erdogan says
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#52The United States is not much better in terms of this. We have a free press in name only. If you are saying something that certain people don’t like, you are canceled. Your tweets will be taken down since you violated weakly worded community standards. You will be flagged on HN. Etc. Ultimately we have a dictatorship of ideas. The best answer so far is to go make a freedom platform with blackjack and hookers. Essenti…
Personally I have found that on HN there is more of a dictatorship of phrasing than a dictatorship of ideas. Here's the short list of ideas you can't say on HN no matter how you phrase them, I think you would agree that this is not excessive: - "Individuals of one race are better or worse than individuals of another." - "One gender is clearly better or worse than another." - Anything about Republicans or Democrats Th…
- Relating ad blocking to piracy
- Benefits of open offices
Re: Turkey determined to control social media platforms, Erdogan says
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Ultimately we have a dictatorship of ideas What an amazing way to phrase "others don't like what I am saying and don't want to associate with me". The government controlling social media platforms is vastly different from a collection of companies controlling social media platforms that they built. There's an argument that can be made about companies needing to treat their platforms as public squares depending on if…
> The government controlling social media platforms is vastly different from a collection of companies controlling social media platforms that they built. The difference is not particularly significant.
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nothing. Just like how Poland and Hungary are EU members and they are walking their own way not giving a f about anything, rewriting the constitutions and laws as they wish
Bulgaria is another notable outlier. Formal EU member, democracy by constitution, government officials relatively well respected in Brussels. Inside - autocratic regime with no division of powers, facade institutions serving the interest of the political oligarchy, no authentic political parties representing the interests of the wider population.
seems in line with the EU approach, no?
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#55Once your cross the line from democracy to dictator, everything becomes legit in your eyes
as a European I wonder if 2021 will be the year we read the same headline about Poland and Hungary - the latter is well on its way
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#56The United States is not much better in terms of this. We have a free press in name only. If you are saying something that certain people don’t like, you are canceled. Your tweets will be taken down since you violated weakly worded community standards. You will be flagged on HN. Etc. Ultimately we have a dictatorship of ideas. The best answer so far is to go make a freedom platform with blackjack and hookers. Essenti…
There are two people doing that on the street below me right now (one is a charlatan peddling superstition, the other is a conspiracy theorist warning of the dangers of 5G). Your complaint in this context would be that my landlord isn’t giving you a stage and a megaphone?
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#57I wonder what some mid- to long-term consequences of Turkey slipping into dictatorship will be for NATO as a whole. It's clear Turkey is drifting away from the values held by the alliance members. I'm so glad they haven't been accepted into the EU. That would be a disaster.
Nothing. Just like how Poland and Hungary are EU members and they are walking their own way not giving a f about anything, rewriting the constitutions and laws as they wish
It extremely hard to do a major judicial reform which is needed. The ruling party argument is that that the system of election the supreme court is flawed. There is a risk of deep state influence from the previous system and ties to Russia.
When Germany was reunified they a purge of people with ties to DDR. Nothing like that happened in Poland.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nothing. Just like how Poland and Hungary are EU members and they are walking their own way not giving a f about anything, rewriting the constitutions and laws as they wish
Bulgaria is another notable outlier. Formal EU member, democracy by constitution, government officials relatively well respected in Brussels. Inside - autocratic regime with no division of powers, facade institutions serving the interest of the political oligarchy, no authentic political parties representing the interests of the wider population.
Re: Turkey determined to control social media platforms, Erdogan says
#59The United States is not much better in terms of this. We have a free press in name only. If you are saying something that certain people don’t like, you are canceled. Your tweets will be taken down since you violated weakly worded community standards. You will be flagged on HN. Etc. Ultimately we have a dictatorship of ideas. The best answer so far is to go make a freedom platform with blackjack and hookers. Essenti…
>Ultimately we have a dictatorship of ideas What an amazing way to phrase "others don't like what I am saying and don't want to associate with me". The government controlling social media platforms is vastly different from a collection of companies controlling social media platforms that they built. There's an argument that can be made about companies needing to treat their platforms as public squares depending on if…
If the difference is measured by the effect produced then in many cases it is zero, that is, there is no any difference. For example,we frequently see collective censorship which effectively means the absence of freedom of speech.
In fact, there exist also other interesting forms like collective (or democratic) racism or collective (democratic) totalitarism. For normal people, the origin of these rules does not really matter.