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CEO Friday: Why we don’t hire .NET programmers

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Re: CEO Friday: Why we don’t hire .NET programmers

#51
I'll bite...

.Net as a framework is designed to get stuff done so you can go home and play with your kids, not pander to the whims of a CEO with his head up his behind.

According to him, I shall have to "unlearn" all those ever so bad practices and technologies such as ORM/DDD (NHibernate), DI (Autofac), SoC (MVC), SOLID, Messaging (NServiceBus), SOA (WCF)...

I will give him one thing; at least 75%+ of the "developers" on the market in the UK couldn't put a web page together without the ASP.Net webforms designer but the same is true with all technologies otherwise we wouldn't have dreamweaver and the likes.

The guy is a total muppet.

Re: CEO Friday: Why we don’t hire .NET programmers

#54
wow that sounds really arrogant.

Skills shouldn't be rated by the IDE developer use.

Not everbody wants to be that kind of geek, that's hacking into a console all day long, rather than using an good IDE.

Rate people by their abilitity to handle those programming languages (e.g. readability, cleanness, layout, speed and so on).

If you don't need C# developers fine, but don't say people should be aware of C# programmers.

By the way, I worked with really good developers, which also programmed in C#, many of them were real experts and absolutly passionated.

Re: CEO Friday: Why we don’t hire .NET programmers

#57

I should probably be ashamed, but I stopped reading after he claimed that .NET is a language.

Actually, you shouldn't. I was getting fumed by the end of his first paragraph where he bragged about his decent programmers being able to fence and do knife play. If he's looking for mercenaries* who can code I should email him! Anyway, I read on and he made several contradictions to his own points. I can't take him seriously now.

*not a mercenary but I'm a runner who flies planes and is a good shot with a Glock, but I sure as hell wouldn't put that on my resume

Re: CEO Friday: Why we don’t hire .NET programmers

#58
it's like saying real singers, the ones with true talent, the ones that have sung since they were young and not just voice trained year after year are rare. Except opera singers - they are truly hacks without the range or talent to do anything else but belt out high pitched drivel in god awful costumes.

Re: CEO Friday: Why we don’t hire .NET programmers

#59
This article deserves to be slammed, and it's been well slammed, but there's a nugget of wisdom inside it:

Once you've exhausted your friend-of-a-friend type referral hiring, you need some way of turning thousands of resumes into tens of resumes for interviewing.

And no matter what filter you use, there are lots of examples of good candidates who fail it. The canonical example is GPA. The ratio of good programmers to poor programmers is higher in those with high GPA's (IMO), but there are tons of good programmers who flunked out of college.

There are lots of crappy .NET programmers out there, so filtering out .NET programmers will discard a lot of chaff. There'll still be wheat in the chaff, but you've got to get a shortlist somehow.

An even better filter might be to filter out anybody who calls .NET a language. Would that mean they have to fire the CEO too?

Re: CEO Friday: Why we don’t hire .NET programmers

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This strikes me as the rantings of a CEO who doesn't have any touch with the reality of development. Thanks for the offer, but I wouldn't want to work for you anyway ;) In all seriousness, I just don't buy that .NET is an amateur language that prevents you from doing certain things. C# is a great, rapidly evolving language with a lot of functional programming features built in. On the other hand (as a developer who u…

.NET is a pretty good implementation of a Better Java. It doesn't even suffer from some of the cultural problems of Java. (FooDelegatorHandleFactorySingleton...) It is a thoroughly corporate ecosystem, though. The vast majority of .NET programmers are work-a-day IT department developers. There is a lot of deference to MS on tools, language features, and libraries. MS developers will tend to wait for MS to incorporate…

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Hickey --

"Before Clojure, [Rich Hickey] developed dotLisp, a similar project based on the .NET platform."

Thus it looks like Rich Hickey was in fact a .NET developer at some point, and so Clojure did, in a way, emerge from the .NET community.

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