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Australia says it's under nation-state cyberattack

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Re: Australia says it's under nation-state cyberattack

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I'm old enough to remember everyone here shitting on Trump for suggesting Huawei 5G is a national security threat. This opinion is now so uncontroversial that even Eric Schmidt agrees: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/06/18/huawei-pos...

> everyone here

That's an interesting claim to test, actually. Could you provide links to one or more discussions on this site where the overwhelming consensus was that Huawei 5G would not be a national security threat to the US?

Re: Australia says it's under nation-state cyberattack

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

International law barely exists and is unenforceable. If a superpower--especially a permanent Security Council member--wants to do something, there's absolutely no recourse. Look at Russia and Crimea. That's the most egregious violation of the notion of international law in recent history, and nothing of consequence happened. The big powers can do whatever they want, and the worst response will be token economic sanc…

There are better examples than Russia and Crimea. I am not Russian, and have nothing to do with Russia or Ukraine or whatever (I am Brazillian, of Iberian descent). Still, Crimea was not a "invasion" or "conquest". Long story short: Russia invaded Crimea in 1700s, taking it from Tartars. When a Ukranian became leader of URSS, he "gave" Crimea to Ukraine, it was only nominal, nothing changed in Crimea itself, the plac…

Is URSS a Brazilian way of saying USSR?

Edit: it’s an alternate spelling. I had not heard that before. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/URSS

Re: Australia says it's under nation-state cyberattack

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Should the international laws be amended to consider state-led cyber attacks an act of war in additional to traditional aggression? Seems like UN Security Council should deal with these matters.

International law barely exists and is unenforceable. If a superpower--especially a permanent Security Council member--wants to do something, there's absolutely no recourse. Look at Russia and Crimea. That's the most egregious violation of the notion of international law in recent history, and nothing of consequence happened. The big powers can do whatever they want, and the worst response will be token economic sanc…

> That's the most egregious violation of the notion of international law in recent history

There's a reason no country gives much of a second thought to international law. In the end it's purely about the optics and the optics are written by each superpower for whoever cares to listen to them. Case in point:

- Wage an asymmetric proxy war, invade a sovereign country, and annex one of their territories - Not OK.

- Find even a demonstrably false reason to wage declared war, invade a sovereign country, kill and torture combatants and civilians alike during the war and subsequent occupation - OK.

International law is a guideline and every country will interpret their own acts as righteous heroism and other countries' acts as barbaric violations of the law.

https://pics.me.me/their-barbarous-wastes-our-blessed-homela...

Re: Australia says it's under nation-state cyberattack

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China is going rogue again. Cyberattacks against Australia, bullying in South China Sea, border fights against India and so on. We need a unified world approach.

Can you please give me a proof that it's China and not someone else...or nothing at all? I always hear cyber-attack's from Russia, North Korea or China, but never from Israel or the US, are they just so bad in covering up or is maybe something else behind it?

Russia, China, and North Korea have no free media to report such things.

Re: Australia says it's under nation-state cyberattack

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

International law barely exists and is unenforceable. If a superpower--especially a permanent Security Council member--wants to do something, there's absolutely no recourse. Look at Russia and Crimea. That's the most egregious violation of the notion of international law in recent history, and nothing of consequence happened. The big powers can do whatever they want, and the worst response will be token economic sanc…

There are better examples than Russia and Crimea. I am not Russian, and have nothing to do with Russia or Ukraine or whatever (I am Brazillian, of Iberian descent). Still, Crimea was not a "invasion" or "conquest". Long story short: Russia invaded Crimea in 1700s, taking it from Tartars. When a Ukranian became leader of URSS, he "gave" Crimea to Ukraine, it was only nominal, nothing changed in Crimea itself, the plac…

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Re: Australia says it's under nation-state cyberattack

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post #36

I'm old enough to remember everyone here shitting on Trump for suggesting Huawei 5G is a national security threat. This opinion is now so uncontroversial that even Eric Schmidt agrees: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/06/18/huawei-pos...

> everyone here That's an interesting claim to test, actually. Could you provide links to one or more discussions on this site where the overwhelming consensus was that Huawei 5G would not be a national security threat to the US?

Below are the top stories. No consensus, let alone overwhelming.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21757097

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19954673

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23191055

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19923655

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20279227

Re: Australia says it's under nation-state cyberattack

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> everyone here That's an interesting claim to test, actually. Could you provide links to one or more discussions on this site where the overwhelming consensus was that Huawei 5G would not be a national security threat to the US?

Below are the top stories. No consensus, let alone overwhelming. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21757097 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19954673 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23191055 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19923655 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20279227

Now do the following: search the threads you provided for "Trump". The decision might have been "right", but easily 90% of posters say that Trump was "wrong" to make it somehow, because saying he was right at anything is socially unacceptable here.

Note that I did not say HN disagreed with the decision necessarily. I was just saying it was shitting on Trump for making it.

Re: Australia says it's under nation-state cyberattack

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How is the UN Security Council going to do anything when China is one of its charter members? They can veto anything. Context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vetoed_United_Nations_...

By recognizing Taiwan as the defacto China

I think this would be a functionally useless move that might hasten the coming of a potential ww3. It doesn't seem like a solution to me, just provocation. It doesn't make the PRC less powerful, it doesn't change how much of the world's manufacturing has been moved there, it doesn't change who owes them money, or their cyber abilities/actions.

What does it do but exclude them from any dialog to make force and violence more likely alternatives?

Re: Australia says it's under nation-state cyberattack

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And instead our commander in chief prefers to insult allies old and new on Twitter

What do you think you're contributing with this?

Elaborating on verifiable facts that are relevant to the discussion?
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