I'm Married to an ER Doc in NYC

Post by tomrod » Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 4:43 AM UTC

majormajor wrote: post #47

redis_mlc wrote: post #45

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> This is what I think many forget when they speak against lockdown and for "herd immunity" - that this would not only result in a huge ammount of unnecessary deaths, but also pretty much wear out if not outright kill a signifficant part of medical personel. Actually, no. You're parroting nonsense. The US cannot do testing and tracing because they waited too late, with 100,000 airline arrivals per week from China bef…

> The US cannot do testing and tracing because they waited too late. "Cannot"? Why wouldn't it just require a much bigger effort? I've been flabbergasted by the lack of wartime thinking this whole time in the US. We know how to mobilize things and build logistical supply chains, why can't we apply that to a in-country medical battle? Not only did the US governments (at all levels) demonstrate incompetence early, we'v…

Post by s1artibartfast » Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 4:46 AM UTC

GoOnThenDoTell wrote: post #50

throwawaylalala wrote: post #12

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It's actually not easy; not every place has facilities for that. Wife is a nurse, and we went through this discussion of the best process when she was an ICU nurse during the Ebola scare five years ago. Remember too, sometimes folks are on the way to work in their scrubs, not necessarily leaving work.

Why are they getting their scrubs exposed to the ‘outside’ at all?

Post by nradov » Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 4:47 AM UTC

m4rtink wrote: post #32

dr_ wrote: post #3

Not an ER doc, but a doc in long term care facilities which have been hit particularly hard. Fortunately things have slowed down considerably now, but at its peak it was absolutely nerve racking. There’s an element to this pandemic which many people working in healthcare have felt. We see patients fall sick often, and we see them die often, although this was at an near overwhelming scale. But what we don’t see often…

This is what I thin many forget when they speak against lockdown and for "heard immunity" - that this would not only result in a huge ammount of unnecessary deaths, but also pretty much wear out if not outright kill a signifficant part of medical personel. It's basically condemning them to working nonstop for months if not years, watching people die all day long & being in infection danger at all times while at work.…

Post by pasquinelli » Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 4:49 AM UTC

majormajor wrote: post #47

redis_mlc wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is what I think many forget when they speak against lockdown and for "herd immunity" - that this would not only result in a huge ammount of unnecessary deaths, but also pretty much wear out if not outright kill a signifficant part of medical personel. Actually, no. You're parroting nonsense. The US cannot do testing and tracing because they waited too late, with 100,000 airline arrivals per week from China bef…

> The US cannot do testing and tracing because they waited too late. "Cannot"? Why wouldn't it just require a much bigger effort? I've been flabbergasted by the lack of wartime thinking this whole time in the US. We know how to mobilize things and build logistical supply chains, why can't we apply that to a in-country medical battle? Not only did the US governments (at all levels) demonstrate incompetence early, we'v…

Post by screye » Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 4:51 AM UTC

joshgel wrote: post #14

screye wrote: post #11

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Yeah, the odds of death if you have to be put on a ventilator is 88%. It is similar to CPR, in that it works but statistically has a very low chance of success since it is only administered once the situation has deteriorated to near certain death.

88% is definitely not true. That paper retracted that claim.

    Early reports from China, the United Kingdom and Seattle found mortality rates as high as 90% among patients on ventilators. 

    And more recently, a study of some New York hospitals seemed to show a mortality rate of 88%.

    The mortality rate among 165 COVID-19 patients placed on a ventilator at Emory was just under *30%* . 

    And unlike the New York study, only a few patients were still on a ventilator when the data were collected.