English is not my first language but: "So nobody could be more surprised than I that a Lisp dialect ..." shouldn't it be "than ME"
The rule of thumb would be to fill in the implied verb and see which one makes sense. "So nobody could be more surprised than I was that a Lisp dialect ..." "So nobody could be more surprised than me was that a Lisp dialect ..." Then it becomes clear that "I" is correct.
Steve Yegge's foreword to Joy of Clojure
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Re: Steve Yegge's foreword to Joy of Clojure
#52Just a word.. not that it is really relevant but I wanted to share this with fellow hackers. To encourage the Clojure community/language, I've pre-ordered the book Joy of Clojure on amazon. On the book's website, it is clearly stated that you also get a free pdf of the book before the release date . So, I was pretty enthusiastic about starting to read the book. But then, I find out that you only get the pdf if you or…
If it is the only good Clojure book, then I guess you're just kind of stuck. I would probably just stick with the Amazon purchase then because it would feel like every additional dollar to Manning, I would't feel comfortable with. And you probably could get someone to donate their PDF to you.
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
The rule of thumb would be to fill in the implied verb and see which one makes sense. "So nobody could be more surprised than I was that a Lisp dialect ..." "So nobody could be more surprised than me was that a Lisp dialect ..." Then it becomes clear that "I" is correct.
> Then it becomes clear that "I" is correct. No, it's not. Your sentences are correct, though, but you altered them from the original by adding a verb, thereby requiring the presence of a subject. The original sentence doesn't have a verb, therefore they need the object form. In other words: "You're stronger than I am" "You're stronger than me" This last sentence is the form used in the article.
It is unlikely that I'll convince you with any argument here, so I'll just recommend that you check out a reference on English usage. My favorite is Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of English Usage.
P.S. Clojure is great and I am enjoying this book so far.
Edit: Aha, I saw in a later response of yours that you're already aware that both usages are considered fine and just have a strong personal opinion. Carry on.
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#544.2 on the Rant-o-meter. "fashion-driven to a degree that would embarrass..." more Yegge yadda-yadda. Not sure if i prefer "class-five tropical storm" or a fire hydrant book shoved up. But those fire hydrant books, say, - Wampler / Payne's Scala book, or - Cesarini /Thompson's Erlang book - Syme/Granicz/Cisternino for F# - (dunno if real World Haskell is a fire hydrant; dunno which are scheme/common Lisp fire hydrant…
We certainly tried (and it ended up being 3x bigger than we planned): http://book.realworldhaskell.org/read/
Re: Steve Yegge's foreword to Joy of Clojure
#55Just a word.. not that it is really relevant but I wanted to share this with fellow hackers. To encourage the Clojure community/language, I've pre-ordered the book Joy of Clojure on amazon. On the book's website, it is clearly stated that you also get a free pdf of the book before the release date . So, I was pretty enthusiastic about starting to read the book. But then, I find out that you only get the pdf if you or…
If you get on Manning's email list, you'll get a steady stream of discount codes and never have to spend full price.
EDIT: Hmm, it only applies to the e-book only version.
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#56[citation needed]
Unless the context is HN threads with "clojure" in the title.
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you get on Manning's email list, you'll get a steady stream of discount codes and never have to spend full price.
There's a 35% off code on the website (which is very broken in Firefox).. does it get better than that? EDIT: Hmm, it only applies to the e-book only version.
As with many commodities, you can simply pass until the price is sufficiently low. Unless you really want the thing immediately.
Re: Steve Yegge's foreword to Joy of Clojure
#58Just a word.. not that it is really relevant but I wanted to share this with fellow hackers. To encourage the Clojure community/language, I've pre-ordered the book Joy of Clojure on amazon. On the book's website, it is clearly stated that you also get a free pdf of the book before the release date . So, I was pretty enthusiastic about starting to read the book. But then, I find out that you only get the pdf if you or…
And a funny fact: For both of my comments, the score keep oscillating from +5 to -4. Which doesn't talk a lot because, if it continues like that, at the end, I will probably only have ~1 which won't give any clues about the opinion on HN-users. (i.e. people don't care about it vs half agree / half disagree!)
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
You gave a significant chunk of their profit to Amazon; it would be nice if they still gave you the PDF (which is the bonus for ordering directly from them), but not doing so is just "not nice", not rage-worthy. If you really wanted it, you could have cancelled your Amazon order and placed your order with manning...
The thing is, on joyofclojure.com, it says: "[...]The Joy of Clojure can now be pre-ordered, which gives you access to the entire book as a PDF now, plus other formats including the printed book once they're available." Which is misleading because you only get the pdf if it get pre-ordered FROM MANNING. And, yes, you are right that I give a part of their profit to amazon, but I still give them money . Maybe you are r…
It looks like the page has been amended to say "The Joy of Clojure can now be pre-ordered from Manning".