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Re: macOS in QEMU in Docker

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Post by qayxc »

lostlogin wrote: post #27
qayxc wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a hammer problem. Docker is the new hammer and now everything starts to look like nails.

Luckily, a lot of the things are nails. The number of applications you can keep neat and tidy with a fleet of containers is so great. Even a relative novice can get some great things working by poking about a few guides. And when it all breaks you can start again without too much collateral damage.

I'd argue that I was able to do the exact same thing 20 years ago using VMWare Workstation - download a VHD image with OS and app(s) pre-installed and configured, optionally map to a drive on the host OS and get started instantly...

Maybe I'm too old to get the appeal of "a fleet of containers" in place of a single (and potentially throw-away) VM image along with maybe even a vagrant-script to make it easily reproducible... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: macOS in QEMU in Docker

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Post by 0xcoffee »

sjburt wrote: post #16

It's hard to see what Docker is adding here since qemu is being run inside Docker. You could get almost identical functionality out of a bare VM image and not deal with the hassles of docker.

I know it's against the HN rules to complain, but this comment really feels so generic. Like every time a JS project is posted, 'oh npm is so bloated'. Everytime there is a new app, 'oh electron is so inefficient'. Everytime something is packaged in a docker 'whats the point of containerizing this'.

It's really making me sad to browse HN sometimes.

Re: macOS in QEMU in Docker

#53

Post by lalos »

GordonS wrote: post #33
benbristow wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Although it's slowly being migrated to GitHub (though they won't officially admit it), DevOps is a great service with a lovely UI. The pipeline docs are somewhat lacking though IMHO but once you get them working, they work great.

I've been worried about Azure DevOps getting merged into GitHub since Microsoft bought Github, but thankfully I haven't seen any drop in the maintenance of Azure DevOps, not yet anyway. As much as I like Github for OSS projects, I really love Azure DevOps for everything else. The CI/CD capabilities are amazing, and I haven't had any real issues with lack of documentation (a few small things here and there for sure th…

I doubt it, the valuable thing is the GitHub brand but the meat lies on Azure. Most developers still see Microsoft as the old Microsoft of the 90s but they are actively working on that image or brand by acquisitions like Github or NPM. The inverse is most likely where GitHub is just a web endpoint for underlying Azure services.

Re: macOS in QEMU in Docker

#54

Post by toyg »

schoolornot wrote: post #40
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #24

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According to Apple software license agreements, yes, it is too much to ask. You can not legally run Mac OS on non-Apple hardware. But don't be sad, their new Mac Pro is fantastic .

It's an unenforced provision of the license agreement. No attorneys are recommending it but it's happening. I wouldn't start your own CI firm with it though. Unlike Microsoft, Apple has no motives to send the BSA after anyone. Pretty sure they've only used them for egregious copyright violations like the commercial Hackintoshes.

> Apple has no motives to send the BSA after anyone

... until your virtualization layer starts having a material impact on their precious hardware sales.

You cannot build business-critical systems on contractual clauses being "unofficially unenforced".

Re: macOS in QEMU in Docker

#55

Post by lostlogin »

qayxc wrote: post #51
lostlogin wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Luckily, a lot of the things are nails. The number of applications you can keep neat and tidy with a fleet of containers is so great. Even a relative novice can get some great things working by poking about a few guides. And when it all breaks you can start again without too much collateral damage.

I'd argue that I was able to do the exact same thing 20 years ago using VMWare Workstation - download a VHD image with OS and app(s) pre-installed and configured, optionally map to a drive on the host OS and get started instantly... Maybe I'm too old to get the appeal of "a fleet of containers" in place of a single (and potentially throw-away) VM image along with maybe even a vagrant-script to make it easily reproduc…

I’m going to look at this, thank you.

Re: macOS in QEMU in Docker

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Post by user5994461 »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #24
cercatrova wrote: post #19

I just want a good CI/CD system for macOS to build iOS apps without needing to buy a farm of Mac Minis, or even buy a Mac, is that too much to ask?

According to Apple software license agreements, yes, it is too much to ask. You can not legally run Mac OS on non-Apple hardware. But don't be sad, their new Mac Pro is fantastic .

The EULA says you can't run Mac OS on non Apple hardware?

Pretty sure these terms are not enforceable in Europe so safe to ignore.

Re: macOS in QEMU in Docker

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Post by toyg »

0xcoffee wrote: post #52
sjburt wrote: post #16

It's hard to see what Docker is adding here since qemu is being run inside Docker. You could get almost identical functionality out of a bare VM image and not deal with the hassles of docker.

I know it's against the HN rules to complain, but this comment really feels so generic. Like every time a JS project is posted, 'oh npm is so bloated'. Everytime there is a new app, 'oh electron is so inefficient'. Everytime something is packaged in a docker 'whats the point of containerizing this'. It's really making me sad to browse HN sometimes.

It's just nerds being nerds, nothing new. Dropbox as ftp and rsync yadda yadda. Other tribes have "is that even lifting" and stuff like that. Take it as small talk (pun intended) and just collapse the thread, you can do that these days.

Re: macOS in QEMU in Docker

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Post by app4soft »

cercatrova wrote: post #19

I just want a good CI/CD system for macOS to build iOS apps without needing to buy a farm of Mac Minis, or even buy a Mac, is that too much to ask?

> I just want a good CI/CD system for macOS to build iOS apps

Why not use Travis CI by adding `.travis.yml` into your GitHub repo?

Re: macOS in QEMU in Docker

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Post by tarkin2 »

OT: Has anyone Found virtualization really resource in the latest OS X? It was eating up 25 percent of my RAM doing nothing. Both Docker and Vagrant were so resource hungry that I ended up ditching them.

Re: macOS in QEMU in Docker

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Post by hamandcheese »

qayxc wrote: post #51
lostlogin wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Luckily, a lot of the things are nails. The number of applications you can keep neat and tidy with a fleet of containers is so great. Even a relative novice can get some great things working by poking about a few guides. And when it all breaks you can start again without too much collateral damage.

I'd argue that I was able to do the exact same thing 20 years ago using VMWare Workstation - download a VHD image with OS and app(s) pre-installed and configured, optionally map to a drive on the host OS and get started instantly... Maybe I'm too old to get the appeal of "a fleet of containers" in place of a single (and potentially throw-away) VM image along with maybe even a vagrant-script to make it easily reproduc…

The difference is tooling, particularly "just works out of the box" tooling.
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