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Hundreds of Facebook employees walk out as Zuckerberg plans town hall tomorrow

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Re: Hundreds of Facebook employees walk out as Zuckerberg plans town hall tomorrow

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Post by ALittleLight »

baddox wrote: post #31
ALittleLight wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes? What's he going to do if he's kicked off social media? His reach would decline my millions or tens of millions at least.

Television. Online and paper news. Literally beaming messages directly to the cellphones of every American.

He can and does use television now. Television takes longer to setup and doesn't reach the same people. You can't go on TV to share a one sentence thought but you can easily do that on Twitter.

So long as you think there's at least one person who he reaches by social media that he wouldn't reach with traditional media, it seems you are obligated to conclude that banning him from social media would reduce his reach, or in other words, trouble him getting his message out.

I'm sure he could still easily get huge messages out, but would have much more trouble getting out minor messages of the kind he uses Twitter for.

Re: Hundreds of Facebook employees walk out as Zuckerberg plans town hall tomorrow

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Post by 0xy »

waon wrote: post #50
0xy wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment removes so much context that it's nearly deceptive. He threatened military violence against rioting and looting, driven by terrorism. Some of these rioters set fire to occupied buildings with children inside and prevented emergency services from accessing the location. In other words, property destruction and attempted murder. Do you propose this behavior should be met with praise and not violence?

> Your comment removes so much context that it's nearly deceptive. How much more "context" do you need? You don't go around dispatching the military to shoot at your own citizens, not in a state governed by the rule of law. No amount of civil unrest will let an accountable government get away with that. > Do you propose this behavior should be met with praise and not violence? Please don't put words in my mouth.

>Please don't put words in my mouth.

It's a simple question, and I never implied your response either way.

Do you think violence by police or military is justified when individuals are setting fire to occupied buildings?

Re: Hundreds of Facebook employees walk out as Zuckerberg plans town hall tomorrow

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Post by edoceo »

MattGaiser wrote: post #33
edoceo wrote: post #4

I support this walkout. As a small business owner all I've been able to do was purge my FB page profiles. I'm proud of them for taking a bigger step than I'm able to make. Working people of all countries unite. Seize the means of production!

> Seize the means of production! You realize that means your business too?

Obviously and eventually. Shipmate before self and all.

Re: Hundreds of Facebook employees walk out as Zuckerberg plans town hall tomorrow

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Post by 0xy »

kevinh wrote: post #47
0xy wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment removes so much context that it's nearly deceptive. He threatened military violence against rioting and looting, driven by terrorism. Some of these rioters set fire to occupied buildings with children inside and prevented emergency services from accessing the location. In other words, property destruction and attempted murder. Do you propose this behavior should be met with praise and not violence?

These are protests against actual murders and property damage. Should the standards you're applying to the protesters be applied to the police?

Of course, the police are guilty of some despicable behavior when responding to the unrest.

As an example, firing rubber bullets at innocent people causing harm and arresting journalists.

That doesn't mean it's justified to burn down an occupied building with children inside and prevent fire crews from accessing it. That's diabolical.

Re: Hundreds of Facebook employees walk out as Zuckerberg plans town hall tomorrow

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Post by adrianN »

baskire wrote: post #6
ditonal wrote: post #3

Walkouts will achieve nothing, but the tragic part of the story is Silicon Valley engineers are sitting on a massive amount of power to affect real change IF they collectively organize, which they have various irrational hang ups about doing. Zuckerberg does not care if 50% of his engineers skip a video meeting. He would greatly care if he found out 50%+ of his SREs were going on strike. But the word union is stigmat…

Some of us have been in unionized industries prior. It also lead to promotion based on years served. Pay scales. And the protection of low performers. Right now engineers have incredible leverage. What do they gain by a union. Don’t like what Facebook is doing. Quit and work elsewhere. There’s plenty of jobs available

A union leads to exactly what its members want it to lead to. It's a democratic entity.

Re: Hundreds of Facebook employees walk out as Zuckerberg plans town hall tomorrow

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Post by RcouF1uZ4gsC »

This is probably the wrong time for Facebook software engineers to try to flex their muscles. Most large firms have put their hiring on hold due to COVID-19. A lot of engineering talent is now on the market looking for jobs due to layoffs by startups and many other companies. Facebook is gearing up for remote work which will expand the talent pool beyond Silicon Valley.

The situation on the ground has changed a lot in the last few months.

I am not sure how much real leverage they will have from the walkout.

Re: Hundreds of Facebook employees walk out as Zuckerberg plans town hall tomorrow

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Post by 0xy »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #44
0xy wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment removes so much context that it's nearly deceptive. He threatened military violence against rioting and looting, driven by terrorism. Some of these rioters set fire to occupied buildings with children inside and prevented emergency services from accessing the location. In other words, property destruction and attempted murder. Do you propose this behavior should be met with praise and not violence?

Property destruction should absolutely not be met with violence, no. Things can be replaced. People cannot.

You carefully cherry picked one aspect of my argument and didn't address the arson of occupied buildings with children inside. That's one example, there's also kidnapping, rape and serious assault with deadly weapons to point at.

Someone was nearly stoned to death on the street with bricks by rioters for protecting a business.

Re: Hundreds of Facebook employees walk out as Zuckerberg plans town hall tomorrow

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Post by jakelazaroff »

ALittleLight wrote: post #51
baddox wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Television. Online and paper news. Literally beaming messages directly to the cellphones of every American.

He can and does use television now. Television takes longer to setup and doesn't reach the same people. You can't go on TV to share a one sentence thought but you can easily do that on Twitter. So long as you think there's at least one person who he reaches by social media that he wouldn't reach with traditional media, it seems you are obligated to conclude that banning him from social media would reduce his reach, o…

No one is claiming that it wouldn’t reduce his reach, just that a “small group of Silicon Valley engineers” cannot unilaterally “control and censor” his communication. He would still be perfectly able to have his message heard by literally any citizen who wanted to hear it — in fact, he is the US least susceptible to censorship.
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