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De-Escalation Keeps Protesters and Police Safer

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Re: De-Escalation Keeps Protesters and Police Safer

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Post by Consultant32452 »

x86_64Ubuntu wrote: post #30
Consultant32452 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were reports of planned riots in rural Polk County. Knowing they didn't have the resources to cover wide spread area, the sheriff instructed citizens to shoot anyone who broke into their home. I support this. Telling citizens you can't help them, and they must protect themselves is very different than threatening that the state itself will kill you. https://twitter.com/FOX13News/status/1267539936401592320

You can shoot a home intruder during and outside of riot conditions. I'm not sure why he posted this.

I think it's clearly a message to people watching the looting in the cities thinking they can get away with that in a rural area. He says it plain and simple, rural people have guns and they will kill you.

Re: De-Escalation Keeps Protesters and Police Safer

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Post by danharaj »

nostromo wrote: post #25
just_steve_h wrote: post #10

Folks - don't be obtuse. Police commanders know exactly what will happen when they escalate with tear gas and rubber bullets. Pro-police forces WANT mayhem. It makes people watching on TV afraid of the protests, and it changes the subject away from the widespread peaceful opposition to racist police violence.

Minneapolis Chief of Police: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medaria_Arradondo Seattle Chief of Police: http://www.seattle.gov/police/about-us/about-the-department/... St Louis Chief of Police: http://www.slmpd.org/chief_of_police.shtml Atlanta Chief of Police: https://www.projectq.us/atlanta/atlanta_police_chief_erika_s... Chicago Chief of Police: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brown_(police_officer) Oakland Chie…

It would be less outrageous if it weren't our fellow man brutalizing our brothers and sisters but some goblins from out of civilization.

They're butchers. They know what's happening and their part in it.

Re: De-Escalation Keeps Protesters and Police Safer

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Post by userbinator »

x86_64Ubuntu wrote: post #30
Consultant32452 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were reports of planned riots in rural Polk County. Knowing they didn't have the resources to cover wide spread area, the sheriff instructed citizens to shoot anyone who broke into their home. I support this. Telling citizens you can't help them, and they must protect themselves is very different than threatening that the state itself will kill you. https://twitter.com/FOX13News/status/1267539936401592320

You can shoot a home intruder during and outside of riot conditions. I'm not sure why he posted this.

Laws vary depending on the state.

Re: De-Escalation Keeps Protesters and Police Safer

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Post by rectang »

CameronNemo wrote: post #37
rectang wrote: post #23

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.C.A.B . This violates the site guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That destroys the curiosity this site exists for.

In his defense, all technology is an instrument of political and ideological battle. If the site admins really want to enforce that guideline, then we should not be discussing current events here.

I hear you, and I've been modded myself. But the guidelines provided a damping effect that allows for conversations to occur which would quickly spin out of control otherwise.

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Post by somebrody »

emperorsclothes wrote: post #38
HarryHirsch wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's crocodile tears. Police chiefs knew all along about the deplorable amount of racism and casual violence on their forces, they just chose to ignore them. Now the political winds are shifting and they have to go along to keep their jobs.

Strange to see wild narratives on HN about police racism and violence that have no basis in reality.

> emperorsclothes

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Post by Gabriel_Martin »

emperorsclothes wrote: post #38
HarryHirsch wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's crocodile tears. Police chiefs knew all along about the deplorable amount of racism and casual violence on their forces, they just chose to ignore them. Now the political winds are shifting and they have to go along to keep their jobs.

Strange to see wild narratives on HN about police racism and violence that have no basis in reality.

Imagine being this oblivious

Re: De-Escalation Keeps Protesters and Police Safer

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Post by briefcomment »

HarryHirsch wrote: post #35
nostromo wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Minneapolis Chief of Police: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medaria_Arradondo Seattle Chief of Police: http://www.seattle.gov/police/about-us/about-the-department/... St Louis Chief of Police: http://www.slmpd.org/chief_of_police.shtml Atlanta Chief of Police: https://www.projectq.us/atlanta/atlanta_police_chief_erika_s... Chicago Chief of Police: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brown_(police_officer) Oakland Chie…

It's crocodile tears. Police chiefs knew all along about the deplorable amount of racism and casual violence on their forces, they just chose to ignore them. Now the political winds are shifting and they have to go along to keep their jobs.

Change does not require looting and beatings does it? Wouldn't looting and beatings simply give the police more power, and be counter productive against making police more accountable?

Looters and those who bash people's skulls in are opportunists who don't care about change. The ones that want change see their opportunity slipping away.

Re: De-Escalation Keeps Protesters and Police Safer

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Post by dexen »

somebrody wrote: post #47
dexen wrote: post #33

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>cherry picking Baseless accusation. The protests are mostly in the blue-voting cities, and the GP's list is representative. [edit] Here is how it works: Minneapolis, Chief of Police: nominated (...) by the Mayor of Minneapolis (Betsy Hodges) [1] Seattle, Chief of Police: [n]ominated by Mayor Jenny Durkan [2] St Louis, Comissioner of Police: appointed as the 35th Commissioners of the St. Louis Metropolitan Police Dep…

It's the cops on each force they cherry-picked. The fact that they are chief of police means nothing, but that you don't understand the institutions involved and how they work. This stuff is in front of SCOTUS and congress right now. It's not simple and it is very broken. > The list of police chiefs & other officials is solid. The list is solid ignorance of the institutions involved. It focuses on race of one part of…

The list of police chiefs is solid.

I share your concerns over Qualified Immunity (and other problems). The relevant discussions are here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23379910 ("As Qualified Immunity Takes Center Stage, More Delay from SCOTUS")

and here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23386260 (a subthread of this discussion)

[edit]

>It focuses on race of one part of police leadership >Highlighting police chief race

Excuse me? Where are you going with this?

I've updated my post with clear, sourced information on how the police leadership got put in their respective roles, to clearly indicate how it works.

The examples are mostly appointment by the (locally elected) major or by the (locally elected) city council.

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