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Oldest 'nearly complete' HIV genome found in forgotten tissue sample from 1966

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Re: Oldest 'nearly complete' HIV genome found in forgotten tissue sample from 1966

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Post by inappropriately »

MiroF wrote: post #46
drewbug01 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish I had the option to downvote, because thinly veiled homophobia is really a disgusting thing to see on a supposedly enlightened site. As if straight people don’t sleep around and have drug-fueled sex parties. And my god, swingers were and are a thing - as if gay men have a monopoly on getting laid. The behavior is not rampant in the gay community; “they” do not have drug-fueled sex parties and fuck for days; th…

I am shocked reading some of the replies in this thread. The average commentator here definitely tries to hide their socially regressive views behind some ideal of being "rational", but even then I truly thought that commentators here were above this.

HN is full of horrible bigoted shits.

No idea why I bother with this site any more.

Re: Oldest 'nearly complete' HIV genome found in forgotten tissue sample from 1966

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Post by Fezzik »

School-Cotton wrote: post #44
Fezzik wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it that much different than how everyone jokes about HSV1 today? It is still a (ridiculous and stupid) running punchline on SNL. Obviously it is a far less dire virus (as far as we know, today) but, we as a species (generally) compared to our individual potential, are absolute idiots and almost always take the easy intellectual route (humor and bullshit) when faced with uncommon information. The video really seems…

“far less dire” is an understatement. HSV-1 causes only cosmetic effects in the vast majority of cases.

That is... not exactly true: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/06/21/6219083...

I was not trying to diminish the atrocity that is how the AIDS epidemic was handled, I was only trying to illuminate that people (and the super-majority of our lawmakers) are immature and uninformed when talking about all infectious diseases.

Edit: just look at our President’s response to Covid... it is bumbling and moronic.

Re: Oldest 'nearly complete' HIV genome found in forgotten tissue sample from 1966

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Post by jtbayly »

MiroF wrote: post #41
Fezzik wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it that much different than how everyone jokes about HSV1 today? It is still a (ridiculous and stupid) running punchline on SNL. Obviously it is a far less dire virus (as far as we know, today) but, we as a species (generally) compared to our individual potential, are absolute idiots and almost always take the easy intellectual route (humor and bullshit) when faced with uncommon information. The video really seems…

> Is it that much different than how everyone jokes about HSV1 today? Yes, the governments refusal to act on the AIDS crisis and the substantial stigma around the disease - resulting in hundreds of thousands of dead is "much different" from jokes about oral herpes on SNL.

> the governments refusal to act on the AIDS crisis and the substantial stigma around the disease - resulting in hundreds of thousands of dead

Yes. They could have and should have shut down the bath houses. It would have saved many many lives. We knew where and what the problem was, but we didn’t love them enough to tell them “no.”

Re: Oldest 'nearly complete' HIV genome found in forgotten tissue sample from 1966

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Post by jdub »

djaque wrote: post #3

I didn't understand the AIDS epidemic until I listened to a podcast [1] where they interviewed a gay survivor. I can't imagine my friends dying off one by one around me from an unknown specter. The government pretending you didn't exist and ignoring you because it was a "gay problem". Society demonizing you. He said that even after it was understood that AIDS was not transmissible by touch, morgues would refuse to ac…

The Australian government's 1987 "Grim Reaper" ad gives some impression of the mood at the time. Of course, it didn't do any favours to the gay community.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lhFc_9U_UY

Re: Oldest 'nearly complete' HIV genome found in forgotten tissue sample from 1966

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Post by dolgo »

drewbug01 wrote: post #17
etrabroline wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Regan administration had two options. The first was to spend billions of dollars hoping to find a cure while certain behaviors continued to spread the virus. (what these activists wanted) The second option was to reduce the occurrence of those behaviors, namely intravenous recreational drug use, and unprotected sex with large numbers of sexual partners, which is particularly widespread among homosexual males. The…

> The first was to spend billions of dollars hoping to find a cure while certain behaviors continued to spread the virus. And yet here we are, with governments spending billions of dollars to find a cure when we can stop the spread of COVID-19 by reducing certain behaviors. The difference in government response to the (ongoing, btw) AIDS crisis and COVID-19 has a hell of a lot to do with the fact that COVID-19 is not…

I have to say, you are really good at calling people names when you don’t agree with their views. You’ve made a terrific straw man out of the poster above. Obviously, they were referring to reckless, unprotected sex with many, many partners. Yet you chose to interpret it as a single sex act.

You’ve gone all through this thread calling people out for having views that are different than yours. Maybe try practicing the tolerance you preach?

Re: Oldest 'nearly complete' HIV genome found in forgotten tissue sample from 1966

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Post by longtom »

djaque wrote: post #3

I didn't understand the AIDS epidemic until I listened to a podcast [1] where they interviewed a gay survivor. I can't imagine my friends dying off one by one around me from an unknown specter. The government pretending you didn't exist and ignoring you because it was a "gay problem". Society demonizing you. He said that even after it was understood that AIDS was not transmissible by touch, morgues would refuse to ac…

The notion of the "gay problem" does not come from nowhere though. Gays have extremely promiscuous lifestyles with 3.5 as many lifetime sex partners, resulting in a 60x higher rate of HIV infections[1], accounting for 67% of HIV diagnoses despite making up 2% of the population or so.[2] So gays are clearly massively responsible for the spreading of the virus and they could reduce its prevalence by engaging less in anonymous sex.

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3462414/

[2] https://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/2012/hivincidencegraphi...

Re: Oldest 'nearly complete' HIV genome found in forgotten tissue sample from 1966

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Post by MiroF »

Fezzik wrote: post #52
School-Cotton wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“far less dire” is an understatement. HSV-1 causes only cosmetic effects in the vast majority of cases.

That is... not exactly true: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/06/21/6219083... I was not trying to diminish the atrocity that is how the AIDS epidemic was handled, I was only trying to illuminate that people (and the super-majority of our lawmakers) are immature and uninformed when talking about all infectious diseases. Edit: just look at our President’s response to Covid... it is bumbling and moronic.

So what, this tentative research that shows no causal link whatsoever between HSV-1 and alzheimers is the same as the 32 million killed by AIDS globally?

No. It isn't. Stop trivializing HIV. I don't know what you're getting out of it, but it comes across as incredibly tone deaf.

Re: Oldest 'nearly complete' HIV genome found in forgotten tissue sample from 1966

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Post by MiroF »

jtbayly wrote: post #53
MiroF wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is it that much different than how everyone jokes about HSV1 today? Yes, the governments refusal to act on the AIDS crisis and the substantial stigma around the disease - resulting in hundreds of thousands of dead is "much different" from jokes about oral herpes on SNL.

> the governments refusal to act on the AIDS crisis and the substantial stigma around the disease - resulting in hundreds of thousands of dead Yes. They could have and should have shut down the bath houses. It would have saved many many lives. We knew where and what the problem was, but we didn’t love them enough to tell them “no.”

Fuck off.

e: Amazing, I go from +2 to -4 after the comment has been flagged, so whoever is downvoting has no idea what it is I was replying to. Apologies for not treating homophobia in the civil manner that you all would prefer.

Re: Oldest 'nearly complete' HIV genome found in forgotten tissue sample from 1966

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Post by inappropriately »

longtom wrote: post #56
djaque wrote: post #3

I didn't understand the AIDS epidemic until I listened to a podcast [1] where they interviewed a gay survivor. I can't imagine my friends dying off one by one around me from an unknown specter. The government pretending you didn't exist and ignoring you because it was a "gay problem". Society demonizing you. He said that even after it was understood that AIDS was not transmissible by touch, morgues would refuse to ac…

The notion of the "gay problem" does not come from nowhere though. Gays have extremely promiscuous lifestyles with 3.5 as many lifetime sex partners, resulting in a 60x higher rate of HIV infections[1], accounting for 67% of HIV diagnoses despite making up 2% of the population or so.[2] So gays are clearly massively responsible for the spreading of the virus and they could reduce its prevalence by engaging less in an…

Fuck off with your gay bashing bullshit, hiding behind statistics.

Re: Oldest 'nearly complete' HIV genome found in forgotten tissue sample from 1966

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Post by apcragg »

longtom wrote: post #56
djaque wrote: post #3

I didn't understand the AIDS epidemic until I listened to a podcast [1] where they interviewed a gay survivor. I can't imagine my friends dying off one by one around me from an unknown specter. The government pretending you didn't exist and ignoring you because it was a "gay problem". Society demonizing you. He said that even after it was understood that AIDS was not transmissible by touch, morgues would refuse to ac…

The notion of the "gay problem" does not come from nowhere though. Gays have extremely promiscuous lifestyles with 3.5 as many lifetime sex partners, resulting in a 60x higher rate of HIV infections[1], accounting for 67% of HIV diagnoses despite making up 2% of the population or so.[2] So gays are clearly massively responsible for the spreading of the virus and they could reduce its prevalence by engaging less in an…

Fuck you
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