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Draft of Executive Order on Online Censorship [pdf]

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Re: Draft of Executive Order on Online Censorship [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> These actions feel vaguely like fascism. I begin to suspect that you don't know what the last word in that sentence means in regards to this particular action.

It's not clear what you are implying? Because from where I'm standing, it sure looks like authoritarianism to me.

Language matters. Fascism is certainly authoritarian but way, way worse than current matters. It waters down the horrors suffered by those who lived under the yoke of it.

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America, when are you going to give up on this idiot? I’m genuinely curious, what’s the last straw? He takes a dump on the Whitehouse lawn in order to show how powerful he is? My view of America has forever changed, no matter who comes next.

> I’m genuinely curious, what’s the last straw?

Well, there is no last straw for his hardcore supporters. They will support him no matter what he does.

There are many, many of us here who have been doing our best to get rid of him for the last 3.5 years, and to prevent him from having a second term. The majority of the country disapproves of him, but that's unfortunately not enough to get him to lose the election.

Re: Draft of Executive Order on Online Censorship [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think he understands free speech. If you tell lies, I’m allowed to call it out.

The issue isn't you or me calling him out, it's whether Twitter is acting as a platform or publisher by annotating the tweet. The document here alleges that they are like a publisher, and will lose vital protection. This has serious implications.

Which would also apply to any news outlet with a moderated comment section, including Fox News, no?

Re: Draft of Executive Order on Online Censorship [pdf]

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America, when are you going to give up on this idiot? I’m genuinely curious, what’s the last straw? He takes a dump on the Whitehouse lawn in order to show how powerful he is? My view of America has forever changed, no matter who comes next.

Why is a comment like this allowed?

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The large tech platforms are defacto digital public squares. The recent trend they’ve taken on to censor content they disagree with is unacceptable and bad for society. And yes, it is evidence of them behaving as a publisher. This censorship trend was bad enough previously, but it has become a lot worse and more egregious during COVID-19, where only the word of certain public agencies are allowed, even though they’ve been wrong several times. Various platforms have deleted many reasonable COVID blog posts that go against the grain, even if they’re logical and worthy of consideration.

I’m glad this move from the President will shine a light on the issue. In the least it may result in viable alternatives to Twitter, Reddit, YouTube, and Google springing up.

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If I'm reading this right, platforms must act in "good faith" to restrict access to content that is "obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable". That seems quite broad and doesn't seem to do anything to stop the current deluge of censorship.

That text is quoted from Section 230. The reason Section 230 was introduced is that, long ago, if platforms did literally any moderation on their site, they were considered to be taking an editorial role and liable for all the things they failed to moderate (e.g., if someone posted libel, the platform would have liability for it), so there was an incentive not to moderate at all, because you wouldn't get it 100% right. For pre-online platforms this was fairly reasonable (e.g., you could hold a newspaper responsible for its columnists publishing libel) but it put a serious damper in real-time user-contributed online forum.

Section 230 said that if a platform acts in good faith for those moderation reasons you list, that doesn't cause them to gain liability - they're still in the same place as if they didn't moderate. If they exercised active editorial control, then they'd be responsible (e.g., you can't just host a pro-harassment forum and solicit other people to post harassing comments and expect Section 230 to protect you), but as long as you only do normal moderation of obviously bad stuff, you're fine.

This draft executive order says, we're interpreting that part of Section 230 to specifically not count "deceptive or pretextual actions restricting online content" as normal moderation, presumably including things like flagging Trump's tweets for misinformation.

That leaves Twitter with two choices: 1) forfeit Section 230 protection and be responsible for all the content on their site (i.e., they'd have to heavily and reliably moderate every single tweet) or 2) stop flagging Trump's tweets for misinformation and do even less moderation so they maintain Section 230 protections.

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America, when are you going to give up on this idiot? I’m genuinely curious, what’s the last straw? He takes a dump on the Whitehouse lawn in order to show how powerful he is? My view of America has forever changed, no matter who comes next.

Same here. I am so disappointed by all the crazy things this so called president did in the last few years.The word "President" use to carry a lot of respect.

There was nothing that respectable about Bush or Obama (or Clinton, or Older Bush) either if you really looked at their records.

Foreigners do not get to see the bad state democracy is in here in the US, between the corruption, the heavy corporate funding of candidates and the lobbyists, the corporate control of media, and the suppression of voters.

A lot of choice, especially the president is decided for people, and what people see and hear is heavily controlled by the media which themselves are beholden to the same large corporate interests that finance the elections. We just had what would pass as a very centrist candidate in any European country compared to a communist and a nazi and suggested that he would hang people in Central Park by the media that was supposed to be informing people. All because he wanted to do a few things like spend 1/7th of our military budget to give people free college education. The corporate and establishment interests had a freak out at the prospect and wound up spending over $1 billion during the primary against him. All to ensure that voters are once again left with a choice between a guy who will do more of the same things that have been a problem, and another guy who will also do more of the same things. That’s what you are up against. That’s why it’s not just as simple as “vote him out”.

Re: Draft of Executive Order on Online Censorship [pdf]

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post #14

America, when are you going to give up on this idiot? I’m genuinely curious, what’s the last straw? He takes a dump on the Whitehouse lawn in order to show how powerful he is? My view of America has forever changed, no matter who comes next.

> America, when are you going to give up on this idiot?

Let me put it this way: he's a terrific final act. A great summation of what has been a story with its ups-and-downs, but is primarily a lesson in what not to do.

> I’m genuinely curious, what’s the last straw?

Is there evidence for the idea that large changes to political structures are made on the basis of last straws? I surmise that this is not a terribly useful lens.

> He takes a dump on the Whitehouse lawn in order to show how powerful he is?

My experience is that very few Americans have any pride for the whitehouse lawn (and for the things I presume for which you are using it as a metaphor). The grandeur of the American state is not a source of inspiration for us.

> My view of America has forever changed, no matter who comes next.

Then I suspect your view has become more acute and more accurate. Our government has failed us for generations, but done so with a slick veneer of statesmanship and sobriety. This idiot, as you rightly say, is giving what we've endured a face.

Re: Draft of Executive Order on Online Censorship [pdf]

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He’s literally going to attack twitter via presidential powers because they dared calling him out on lies? I’d say that’s insane and childish but I think we’re a little past that already

It’s not only that, youtube and facebook have been sensoring legit content and comments that are non related to Trump. This guy is too narsicistic to express what the real issue is, but we are having a problem with these platforms right now.
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