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In-person services may never operate strictly in-person again

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Re: In-person services may never operate strictly in-person again

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May never operate strictly in person again, was the original title. I guess I'll give the benefit of the doubt that it was an honest mistake, but it's a mistake that vastly changes the meaning of the headline.

Agreed - I just posted about this before I saw your comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23295148

Re: In-person services may never operate strictly in-person again

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I have a dedicated office with a door that closes, fiber internet, giant monitor, etc. I can’t wait for all of this Zoom stuff to be over and go back to being in the office.

Why?

Personally I have no desire to go back to an office--which I haven't done regularly for years--although I do sincerely hope that business travel/events starts ramping up again. (And, if they don't, I'll probably find myself making changes of various sorts.)

But I can certainly understand someone who wants to 1.) Get out of their house and 2.) Be around people during the day. That said, based on what I'm seeing at a lot of tech companies, I expect going into an office will be an awkward and not terribly comfortable situation that doesn't have a lot of social interaction for the balance of this year and possibly beyond. I think you're going to see a lot more social not distancing outside of professional business environments than within them for quite some time. And a norm where most people go into an office most of the time may be dead at a lot of companies.

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This is very strange to read from here in New Zealand, where life is fairly close to getting back to normal. I don't see any reason why our basic lifestyles should be permanently changed by this virus. As bad as things feel now, we will eventually get on top of the epidemic and in a few short years this period will be a distant memory. I'm not saying there won't be permanent changes - I believe this is a catalyst tha…

People tend to forget that we experience pandemics every now and then. In-between life is “normal”. Just remember the famous picture of police men having all a mask on from 1918 or so. I am sure they were gone by 1920 or so

exactly, as far as the previous pandemics go this one is fairly mild, have you heard of the Hong Kong flu of 1968? Killed over a million people, we haven't even heard of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_flu

we won't forget this virus for long time, but not because of the damage it does, but because of the damage we did to ourselves

Re: In-person services may never operate strictly in-person again

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I have a dedicated office with a door that closes, fiber internet, giant monitor, etc. I can’t wait for all of this Zoom stuff to be over and go back to being in the office.

Why?

I don’t find Zoom to be an acceptable alternative to in-person meetings. I don’t like the lack of separation between work space and home space (especially since my spouse also works). I miss having support staff available in person.

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I don't understand why people are assuming this instead of the easier explanation of that (1) things will eventually bounce back and (2) somebody born in 1-2 generations will have no idea what the pandemic was like. As precedent, I cite the 1918 flu. In 1918 people were getting arrested for not wearing masks. The following decade was called "The Roaring '20s," and I don't presume it roared because of all the social d…

My mom doesn't recall even hearing much about the 1956 flu.

Before this, I wouldn't have remembered unprompted that there was a 1956/57 flu and, even prompted, I couldn't really have told you anything about it. My understanding is it did spread fairly slowly and didn't affect the US much. Perhaps the far lesser amount of international travel at the time played some role.

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I don't understand why people are assuming this instead of the easier explanation of that (1) things will eventually bounce back and (2) somebody born in 1-2 generations will have no idea what the pandemic was like. As precedent, I cite the 1918 flu. In 1918 people were getting arrested for not wearing masks. The following decade was called "The Roaring '20s," and I don't presume it roared because of all the social d…

From what I can tell the way society is reacting this particular respiratory pandemic - and the way the media is portraying it - is completely without precedent, so we can't point to history to guide us. Parts of the US might've required mask wearing in 1918, but there wasn't the massive shutdowns of everything or the full-press media coverage we have today. I've seen people who lived through previous major pandemics…

Why do you think this is NOT a massive, vitally important tragedy? ~2k americans died in 9/11 and american life was never the same. ~100k americans have died (so far) from this and you think it's not a big deal?

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Why?

I don’t find Zoom to be an acceptable alternative to in-person meetings. I don’t like the lack of separation between work space and home space (especially since my spouse also works). I miss having support staff available in person.

In all fairness, you're making the assumption that the people you're meeting with are normally in the same location. Very few people I meet with are in the same office and/or they're often traveling or otherwise not physically present. So even if I came into the office every day, I would have a few serendipitous encounters but most meetings would still be over video link.

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My kids have been having their music lessons (cello & viola) remotely since the quarantine. For the advanced student, I can see 50% of lessons workable as remote, but not more than that. My kid may switch to every other lesson remote (two lessons per week at 45 minutes each). For the beginner, it doesn’t work that well, but I suppose it’s better than nothing.

But we need to figure out why the initial lessons are better in person than remote. It could be that small changes are needed in camera placement, or screens or something we haven't thought of. For many instruments you outline, it is how the bow or the instrument is held, this might be better online with the right tools, esp if you had multicamera pose estimation, it might not even need a teacher the majority of the…

I've taken dance lessons. They'd never work remotely. A large part of it is because what you think you're doing with your body is not what you're actually doing.

Sometimes the instructor has to use his hands to push you into the right position. Another large part is both of you stand in front of a floor to ceiling mirror. He'll be in front of you off to one side, so you can see both him in real life and your reflection at the same time. He moves, and you match, looking at both him and your reflection.

Lastly, you'll never learn a partner dance online, because it's all about the feel of working with a partner.

Re: In-person services may never operate strictly in-person again

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Remote everything sucks and I will stop doing it all as soon as possible. Humans need stories, and stories take place in sets. Seeing the entirety of your life through a window on your computer is not a life.

Would you say that virtual reality isn't ready yet or that it will never be ready?
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