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Re: No Brilliant Jerks

#51

I sometimes wonder if I might be a jerk. I regularly ponder this topic, and think of ways I can mitigate. I've delivered an increased amount of business value (not by being "brilliant", but rather, just pragmatic)-- and that required making some breaking changes. Engineers in other parts of the organization who use the same software are of course inconvenienced by this. I've put a lot of effort into minimizing where…

I think you touched upon a good topic.

I feel Jerks tend to be people with little empathy for peoples feelings and high affinity for reality and the truth at the expense of everyones emotions.

While most people don't officially define a "Jerk" with the definition above, I feel that the personalities most people perceive as Jerks fit the definition above perfectly.

It's just people are unable to see past the "lack of empathy." They are unable to see that the while some actions lack empathy, they are also in line with truth and reality.

That is the ultimate question... What kind of company do you want to build or work for. Do you want a company full of yes men and people who respect others? Do you want a company where people lack respect and lay the god awful truth on the table? Or do you want something in between?

I feel to get something in between you need a few Jerks within the organization.

Re: No Brilliant Jerks

#52

I sometimes wonder if I might be a jerk. I regularly ponder this topic, and think of ways I can mitigate. I've delivered an increased amount of business value (not by being "brilliant", but rather, just pragmatic)-- and that required making some breaking changes. Engineers in other parts of the organization who use the same software are of course inconvenienced by this. I've put a lot of effort into minimizing where…

What if being a bit of a jerk is a requirement to make progress in some environments?

When everyone is blockading everyone else, and becomes comfortable in that artificial ground-state, it takes some energy input to push things over into an actual better state. It won't happen on its own. People need to take ownership of decisions in order to make real change, but in a comfortable mutual blockade everyone seeks to avoid ownership so they don't get left holding the bag, so to speak.

The difference between someone who is an effective maverick (even on a small scale where the term would be a joke) and someone who is just a jerk comes down to attitude and approach. There's always a positive, inclusive, hey-at-least-I-offered sort of approach, and a negative, exclusive, my-way-or-the-highway approach.

I worked in academic IT for a while ages ago and the mutual blockade was the standard approach. Nothing got done, nothing got better, and it was always someone else's fault. Get individuals one-on-one and you'd always get a very rational sounding explanation of the situation and how they're hamstrung, get people together and you'd always get denial, and truly nobody wanted to unravel the Gordian knot, because it was a comfortable and familiar evil.

I happened to find myself lead on a project with a lot of autonomy, and also seconded to another project where I was a mere serf at the same time.

On the former, which was to roll out commodity desktop management stuff to a very fractured base of IT (each faculty had its own staff and a fair bit of infra, tiny little datacenters, etc), I took a very open-source, 'bazaar' style approach; produced a free, federated, sane-defaults, customizable system that was not overly prescriptive, and introduced it to those faculties one by one until 90% of the university was happily running it and working together better than before. This did require that I run afoul of people who were comfortable with the status quo, at least until I could eventually bring them around; but because I maintained a default open position the entire time, essentially being very modest and classy about the fact that my system was going to take over everything else, I won people over. A lot of the time, they're really just casting about looking for leadership, which is better defined as 'an individual willing to take risks and own consequences'.

On the latter, which was an ITIL project, the project manager had the exact opposite approach. Big expensive proprietary system, nothing federated or optional, his way or get lost. He made enemies at every turn, because instead of bringing them clarity and capability, he instead tried to use power and control to make people do what he wanted, without any real concession to it providing commensurate value for them. He ruled his own team like a tyrant, shutting down any ideas I had, expecting me to work against a requirements doc and not question anything.

Only through my own skunkworks approach and through using political capital I had accumulated on the other project was able to bring anyone onboard in anything more than a mandated sense; but the project ultimately failed because people did not want to let a jerk win, and in the case of academia where they're hard to fire, they felt comfortable resisting.

The moral here is that there's definitely a role for someone pushing large effective change, change that people may resist - in fact, it's critical - but you have to do it in a way that offers a continual and permanent olive branch to everyone, always giving them a chance to join in, never rubbing their face in anything, never holding vendettas or grudges. This is a hard thing for many humans to accomplish.

Re: No Brilliant Jerks

#53

The world is run and shaped by "jerks". Whether you like it or not. If we look past 21st century culture and look back upon history... - Caesar (killed/enslaved 1 million+ gauls) - Augustus (killed anyone who posed a political threat, killed a lot in general) - Genghis Khan (killed... well, he killed a lot) - Napoleon (got hundreds of thousands of people from every European nation killed) - The list goes on. Name one…

It sound apologetic to me to write their jerkiness to stress and high responsibility of leadership.

> Name one famous historical figure who had power of some sort who didn't do anything "jerk-like".

Since the list are of kings, I namedrop Marcus Aurelius.

Add power and stress to unchecked emotional and psychological deficiencies of the susceptible person of power strong enough to derail their sense of ethics and morality and one comes face to face with a war criminal, a psychopath dictator, or a jerky maverick CEO.

Increase or decrease elements to get Caligula or Steve Jobs.

Re: No Brilliant Jerks

#54
post #4

We have seen decades of general stagnation compared to decades of new inventions and growth before that. [Just imagine a bunch of quotes from Peter Thiel here. You read or heard the argument already.] Good chunk of it is probably due to our societies getting physically older. But how much can be attributed to the culture of being nice, getting along, not rocking the boat, undermining people, etc? OP ironically even a…

Innovative companies like DEC, Bell Labs, and Xerox Parc (not so much IBM) ran on playful maturity, not on jerkish narcissism. Generally they were not terrible places to work - unlike the kind of startup that's a playground for dark triad people with emotional handicaps. The latter are destructive . A small minority get shit done, but only some proportion of the shit that gets done turns out to be truly beneficial. T…

And those destructive startups are run by people who seem "nice" in person but who enact their own sinister agenda, maybe while tricking themselves into thinking they're doing good.

Being "nice" and being a good person are two different things.

Re: No Brilliant Jerks

#55

You could also flip this around and say “No weak willed overly sensitive people” Most people are fine with jerks. Just like most people aren’t jerks. It’s when the minority group “jerks” intersects with minority group “wimps” that problems show up. And I would say both groups are equally toxic to company culture.

> Most people are fine with jerks If this was the case, would they really be jerks?

Yes. Most people are fine with jerks.

I’ve worked with plenty of jerks and it doesn’t really bother me. I, like most well adjusted people, say “that person is just a jerk, whatever” and move on with my day.

Wimps grind the entire company to a halt because we all need to focus on their wellbeing 24/7 because they can’t do that.

It’s not to say wimps are bad. It’s just that wimps can kill a company culture just like jerks do. And more often than not, it’s the combination of the two that really causes most of the trouble.

Nothing is more damaging to a company than an over performing jerk and an underperforming wimp on the same team.

Re: No Brilliant Jerks

#56

I sometimes wonder if I might be a jerk. I regularly ponder this topic, and think of ways I can mitigate. I've delivered an increased amount of business value (not by being "brilliant", but rather, just pragmatic)-- and that required making some breaking changes. Engineers in other parts of the organization who use the same software are of course inconvenienced by this. I've put a lot of effort into minimizing where…

I think you touched upon a good topic. I feel Jerks tend to be people with little empathy for peoples feelings and high affinity for reality and the truth at the expense of everyones emotions. While most people don't officially define a "Jerk" with the definition above, I feel that the personalities most people perceive as Jerks fit the definition above perfectly. It's just people are unable to see past the "lack of…

People want to get rid of the bad while forgetting that good leaves along with it too.

Re: No Brilliant Jerks

#57
post #5

I have a problem with Nassim Taleb. On the one hand I think he has been a colossal jerk to many good people who don't deserve it. On the other hand he keeps dropping pearls of wisdom that I value highly. If I were an employer I wouldn't want an employee with his level of toxicity laying waste to morale. But it could be exactly that kind of employee who could make the company profitable with the power of one brain. So…

Just give them a dedicated space to work alone or with people that tolerate them without bothering others.

Re: No Brilliant Jerks

#58

I sometimes wonder if I might be a jerk. I regularly ponder this topic, and think of ways I can mitigate. I've delivered an increased amount of business value (not by being "brilliant", but rather, just pragmatic)-- and that required making some breaking changes. Engineers in other parts of the organization who use the same software are of course inconvenienced by this. I've put a lot of effort into minimizing where…

I think you touched upon a good topic. I feel Jerks tend to be people with little empathy for peoples feelings and high affinity for reality and the truth at the expense of everyones emotions. While most people don't officially define a "Jerk" with the definition above, I feel that the personalities most people perceive as Jerks fit the definition above perfectly. It's just people are unable to see past the "lack of…

I though that most people equate "jerk" with "asshole" rather. If it is as you said however then I would rather hire solely jerks.

Re: No Brilliant Jerks

#59

I sometimes wonder if I might be a jerk. I regularly ponder this topic, and think of ways I can mitigate. I've delivered an increased amount of business value (not by being "brilliant", but rather, just pragmatic)-- and that required making some breaking changes. Engineers in other parts of the organization who use the same software are of course inconvenienced by this. I've put a lot of effort into minimizing where…

I think you touched upon a good topic. I feel Jerks tend to be people with little empathy for peoples feelings and high affinity for reality and the truth at the expense of everyones emotions. While most people don't officially define a "Jerk" with the definition above, I feel that the personalities most people perceive as Jerks fit the definition above perfectly. It's just people are unable to see past the "lack of…

I think I can add to your observation: The difference between a good leader and a jerk can come down to ego. A good leader may have to make a decision despite hurting feelings and enduring bad emotions, but will make the decision based on the right path even if they suffer too. Jerks will make decisions that upset others but will go to the mat to defend their own feelings and emotions.

For jerks, it's not "anything to make this happen." It's "anything to make me happen."

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