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Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

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Post by aksss »

raydev wrote: post #36
Traster wrote: post #29

I think that one thing this analysis is missing is why F1 drivers go to Ferrari. F1 drivers don't drive for Ferrari because they pay the best. They drive for Ferrari because of the dream. On Youtube Joe Rogan is just some guy. Spotify is offering Joe Rogan more than that. Personally, I think the real point in this analysis is that 90% of people just aren't going to sollow him to spotify. Which is fine for spotify, th…

Spotify already has a spot in popular culture, so I'm not sure he loses that much. Rogan loses a portion of his existing audience to be sure, but he gains a more committed audience this way, and those hundreds of millions of people that are already listening to Spotify may have a new favorite show.

I’d bet there is already substantial crossover between Spotify subs and JRE listeners. In hierarchy of importance Spotify is higher for me than many paid video streaming services.

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

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Post by friendlybus »

Traster wrote: post #29

I think that one thing this analysis is missing is why F1 drivers go to Ferrari. F1 drivers don't drive for Ferrari because they pay the best. They drive for Ferrari because of the dream. On Youtube Joe Rogan is just some guy. Spotify is offering Joe Rogan more than that. Personally, I think the real point in this analysis is that 90% of people just aren't going to sollow him to spotify. Which is fine for spotify, th…

They drive for ferrari because its a great way to win championships. Ferrari and mercedes put 10x the budget into sport the closest rival, red bull does.

The analogy doesnt work. Rogan built a ferrari brand and now he's letting it be bought out by a midtier team with deep pockets like Stroll's dad.

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

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Post by lowdose »

Anybody an idea what sidekick Jamie's cut is from this enterprise?

Can't imagine Jamie doesn't have equity in the show and remained just a employee. On this kind of level of earnings, an important part is choosing who you share with.

Cheap debt influences the cashflow multiplier in a great way when doing a discounted cash flow analysis. The estimated financial gains are off by at least a factor 2 or 3. It doesn't make sense to make a deal of 100 million when you received 30 million last year.

> Joe Rogan's podcast 'The Joe Rogan Experience' earned a staggering $30 million in revenue across 190 million downloads per month in 2019.

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

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Post by treebornfrog »

I don't think he got ripped off, I for one, prefer that some audience is taken away from YouTube.

Also would like to see alternative opinions that contrast the consensus / mainstream narrative.

Also hope the video is still about on Spotify.

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

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Post by poxrud »

raydev wrote: post #50

Sure, Rogan gave up hypothetical 10s of millions for this. But those millions required work and marketing and sponsor management, and those 10s of millions weren't guaranteed. With Spotify he just secured a guaranteed paycheck and a guarantee that he (and his team) don't need to work nearly as hard. And what audience does he really lose? Non-paying customers via YouTube and podcast apps can be non-paying customers on…

Hundreds of millions or billions, not 10s of millions.

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

BubRoss wrote: post #33
koiz wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Apparently he wanted to have guests who would provide alternative public health narratives and was told that this was a no-go on YouTube. As it should be. >He is hoping that Spotify will give him more creative freedom Spreading pseudoscience isn't creative, its destructive.

Joe Rogan typically makes a point to say what he doesn't know and tries to get interesting experts in his show. Have you watched much of his show?

He typically has no idea what they're talking about and thus lobs softball after softball at them, even when he pretends to disagree for devil's advocate sake. Most of his bigger named guests have carved out echo chambers for themselves, and Rogan lends them credibility.

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

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Post by rewoi »

koiz wrote: post #19
krustyburger wrote: post #17

I have no idea if it’s true, but I’ve heard that a major factor was recent pushback he was getting from YouTube with respect to contrarian coverage of the pandemic. Apparently he wanted to have guests who would provide alternative public health narratives and was told that this was a no-go on YouTube. Much of his audience consumes the show as video on YouTube and Spotify is another major brand that will offer a simil…

>Apparently he wanted to have guests who would provide alternative public health narratives and was told that this was a no-go on YouTube. As it should be. >He is hoping that Spotify will give him more creative freedom Spreading pseudoscience isn't creative, its destructive.

Sometimes it is good to have some balance from official sources. WHO:

* Masks do not work on corona virus

* Taiwan is a Chinese province, not an independent country

* Corona virus does not transmit between people.

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

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Post by aksss »

mulmen wrote: post #43
remir wrote: post #25

In September, I wrote a post about how Howard Stern is getting ripped off by Sirius. I made the case that Howard Stern is making $90 million a year when he could be making 2-3x by cutting out the middle-man and doing a subscription podcast. Sure, until subscription fatigue kicks in. People pay for Spotify or SiriousXM because of the overall value. I doubt many people would be interested in paying just for Stern or Ro…

This is where cable companies really screwed up. They could have offered consumers a choice of channels instead of packages. It would have required changing their business model but most cable companies are local monopolies so they should be able to declare new economics. With their position as ISPs for many they were well positioned to offer streaming services first. These could have subscriptions by show instead of…

LTT did an episode about the pantheon of streaming services causing a resurgence in piracy. It is getting ridiculous. Everyone wants their $8-16/mo.
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