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U.S. arrests former Green Beret, son, in connection with Ghosn escape from Japan

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Re: U.S. arrests former Green Beret, son, in connection with Ghosn escape from Japan

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Post by popcorncolonel »

pnw_hazor wrote: post #40
afwaller wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Japan is a first world country.

The Japanese criminal justice system is not up to first world standards. "The litany of violations that commonly take place while the detainee is in daiyou kangoku would befit places such as China, Turkey, or the Israeli occupied West Bank. Detainees are subject to extremely long (e.g. over twelve hours) questioning sessions, designed to wear them down. Sleep deprivation is common, as is the deprivation of adequate f…

Ah our favorite third world countries, like China, Japan, and Israel.

Re: U.S. arrests former Green Beret, son, in connection with Ghosn escape from Japan

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Post by balls187 »

DevX101 wrote: post #19

The whole escape was likely coordinated by Ghosn's wife who it seems passed the Jeff Bezos test. Commenting on what he looked for in a wife, Bezos once said in an interview "The number one criterion was that I wanted a woman who could get me out of a Third World prison"

> passed the Jeff Bezos test.

In modern day parlance this is known as "Ride or Die."

Re: U.S. arrests former Green Beret, son, in connection with Ghosn escape from Japan

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Post by kthxbye123 »

whyhow wrote: post #35
DevX101 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's the original interview [1]. He was trying to explain that he was looking for a wife that was resourceful. But since explaining what he meant by 'resourceful' was difficult he gave the example that his ideal wife should be able to get him out of prison in another country. [1] https://www.wired.com/1999/03/bezos-3/

Anyone know your typical steps for this process? I guess your first step is to contact your embassy, then look for a local lawyer, then what comes next?

Well, in this case, it involved hiring mercenaries, arranging an elaborate heist involving traditional Lebanese musicians and bribing airport workers in at least three different countries. I think the ability to improvise is crucial.

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Post by pnw_hazor »

jcampbell1 wrote: post #17

It will be interesting to follow if they have enough money to fight the extradition in court. The international press loves to make Japanese criminal courts sound like a 12th century madhouse at every opportunity.

More scrutiny the better.

Several features of the Japanese criminal justice system, such as, absence of due process, no right to counsel during police interrogations, coercive interrogation techniques (sleep deprivation, stress/pain positions, meal withholding, isolation, etc.), absence of a bail system, absence of an independent judiciary, and so on, deserve as much scrutiny as possible.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

psychometry wrote: post #41
DevX101 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's the original interview [1]. He was trying to explain that he was looking for a wife that was resourceful. But since explaining what he meant by 'resourceful' was difficult he gave the example that his ideal wife should be able to get him out of prison in another country. [1] https://www.wired.com/1999/03/bezos-3/

Pretty sure all you need are high-level State Department contacts, not necessarily "a very particular set of skills", so to speak.

> all you need are high-level State Department contacts

That's a terrible strategy for getting out of the clutch's of a foreign country's law enforcement. Let alone an ally's.

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Post by bouncycastle »

afwaller wrote: post #21
DevX101 wrote: post #19

The whole escape was likely coordinated by Ghosn's wife who it seems passed the Jeff Bezos test. Commenting on what he looked for in a wife, Bezos once said in an interview "The number one criterion was that I wanted a woman who could get me out of a Third World prison"

Japan is a first world country.

With a 99% conviction rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate

Edit: So I guess extraditing them would basically guarantee conviction.

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Post by dmurray »

redstripe wrote: post #20

Is leaving a country really that hard if you have a little money? Seems like something you should be able to do without the assistance of green berets unless you're in a movie. A country like Japan must have: 1. Dozens of private jets leaving it's airspace daily. 2. Hundreds of fishing boats leaving it territorial waters daily.

You need someone's help, if only to proposition the fishing boat captains. Best to have an intermediary there rather than risk being identified.

Former special forces are stereotypically more likely than most to end up in that kind of "fixer" role, even if they don't need their military skills for this particular job.

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Post by zapdrive »

brian_herman__ wrote: post #50
DevX101 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's the original interview [1]. He was trying to explain that he was looking for a wife that was resourceful. But since explaining what he meant by 'resourceful' was difficult he gave the example that his ideal wife should be able to get him out of prison in another country. [1] https://www.wired.com/1999/03/bezos-3/

I wonder if MacKenzie Tuttle passed the test.

No. Saudi Prince MBS played her like a fiddle. She walked right into his plan of humiliating her husband. After all he has achieved, she should have overlooked his affair. Just like Hillary. If Jeff got arrested in a third world country on made up rape charges, she would have just accepted the charges and let him rot.

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Post by pnw_hazor »

smcl wrote: post #30
jcampbell1 wrote: post #17

It will be interesting to follow if they have enough money to fight the extradition in court. The international press loves to make Japanese criminal courts sound like a 12th century madhouse at every opportunity.

I haven't read a great deal about them in the papers, but what I have read is that they have a frighteningly high conviction rate - meaning that either - the police are really good at finding the perpetrators of crimes - the state are really careful about only taking cases to trial they are extremely confident they can win - ... or that simply being tried in court sufficient for convince everyone judges and/or juries…

The Japanese police are really good at coercing confessions using techniques and procedures that are unavailable (unlawful) in most first world countries.
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