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Re: Ask HN: “Git” for Microsoft Office?

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post #30

You might consider encouraging people to write markdown and then generate the final document using pandoc with an msword stylesheet. This is what I did in college because (for some reason) everyone expects word files for everything.

Thays Why I use markdown and latex for everything. I was back in college 2 years ago, after 15 years. DOing mechanichal engeneer. All my reports where writen on markdown and latex, and saved on gitlab.

Re: Ask HN: “Git” for Microsoft Office?

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post #45

Takeover more power and then move people to markdown with a sleight of hand. I cannot cope with MS Office anymore. I was in finance 5 years, plenty of Excel work, when I open Excel today I am quickly reminded how painful it is and go back to Python.

I agree with you mostly, but Excel is still often a good choice for reporting. And with a package like xlwings, you can do it all from Python.

Re: Ask HN: “Git” for Microsoft Office?

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post #45

Takeover more power and then move people to markdown with a sleight of hand. I cannot cope with MS Office anymore. I was in finance 5 years, plenty of Excel work, when I open Excel today I am quickly reminded how painful it is and go back to Python.

I'm with you. So many people I work with don't understand my visceral hatred of Office and Google's offering.

It's not that I think they are inherently bad pieces of software, they're actually all pretty amazing. It's just that after years of using markdown, org-mode and python, I get frustrated by how long it takes to debug a spreadsheet or format a document.

Re: Ask HN: “Git” for Microsoft Office?

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I vaguely remember that change tracking was a feature in Word even before O365 era. Nevertheless, like others said - Office365 is what you need. Versioning in O365 is not necessarily user friendly and intuitive, but it works. It saved me and my colleagues many times.

Re: Ask HN: “Git” for Microsoft Office?

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With Excel (the stuff that tends to be most critical), Microsoft has gone through a few iterations on this. Just a few days ago, they finally enabled a proper Version History on the online version of Excel, much in the same way as it’s been available with Google sheets for years. If you are bound to offline Excel, your options include 1) Shared workbooks 2) Co-authoring 4) Network drive 5) SharePoint 6) DropBox/OneDrive etc. You can get all the pros and cons in a recent blog post of mine: https://www.xltrail.com/blog/collaborate-on-excel-workbooks. I am part of a group of developers so we agree with you on wanting to have “GitHub for Excel” which is why we built: https://www.xltrail.com

Re: Ask HN: “Git” for Microsoft Office?

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Microsoft Teams comes out of the box with the necessary SharePoint like features for document collaboration. That includes editing right in the web browser, as well as a button to open the document in your local install of Office. You can see if the document is synced online, look at changes, comment, and merge changes. Everything you need for a decent experience. No longer a need for setting the whole thing up yourself, and non technical folks can definitely use it.

You still have some pains with it, but its better than anything else I have seen for a non technical user.

Re: Ask HN: “Git” for Microsoft Office?

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post #44

Something to help is coming in the form of Fluid. https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/19/21260005/microsoft-office... https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/get-started-with-...

This looks very interesting but I doubt large enterprises will allow it considering the online nature and the inability to secure confidential work on internally hosted systems.

That's my reaction too - most people here are somewhat jealous of their "ownership rights" over this or that document, since this often define their actual roles. It looks like Fluid is trying to "share everything" and that's too much.

I'd be happier with something that simply allows me to have a github-like workflow where I can propose and justify changes to this or that block of document, and an owner can sanction and merge. This would not touch internal hierarchies (the most sacred element of corporate life) but would improve collaboration.

If Fluid is a step in that direction, it's welcome. Unfortunately to me it looks more like "web-native COM objects" and few people ever liked those.

Re: Ask HN: “Git” for Microsoft Office?

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post #46

I mean, this is what Office 365 does - and pretty well: collaboration and versioning.

Versioning is good for restoring backups, it’s hard for seeing changes over time. I recently worked on a word doc with four other collaborators. Someone inserted a footnote. Looking through versions it took me 10 minutes of sifting through the dozens of versions (auto save creates new versions very frequently) to find who and when that section changes. I wish there was a git blame for office. I also wish the old day…

>I wish there was a git blame for office.

That's exactly what "Track changes" is for.

Re: Ask HN: “Git” for Microsoft Office?

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post #44

Something to help is coming in the form of Fluid. https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/19/21260005/microsoft-office... https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/get-started-with-...

This looks very interesting but I doubt large enterprises will allow it considering the online nature and the inability to secure confidential work on internally hosted systems.

It’s going to be open-source, so I’d bet that Microsoft will package some kind of on-prem server like Exchange and SharePoint if enterprise demands it. But since lots of enterprises are moving to Office 365 anyway (including big banks that historically had massive security requirements), if Microsoft can make a security SLA, maybe it’s enough?
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