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Norway: Soldiers' location history found in data sold by Tamoco

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Re: Norway: Soldiers' location history found in data sold by Tamoco

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check the settings on your phone, the ones with location data access are selling it.

All of them? How do you know this?

The vast majority. You have to go out of your way to find apps that don't scoop up all the data they can. Why not? It's not like consumers penalize it.

Re: Norway: Soldiers' location history found in data sold by Tamoco

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Traffic Analysis. A lot of British intelligence during WW2 was gleamed not from the contents of the messages they intercepted, but rather from tracking who was where and communicating with whom. And if you stop soldiers from using mobile phones on restricted ground, you are just going to have lots of tracks stopping abruptly at the gates and secure facilities identifiable by their lack of emissions. Patterns. There h…

It was giving that away in his book, rather than any of the other activities at Bletchley Park, that got Gordon Welchman into trouble. Even without any detail as to the techniques used, the fact that he and his group had basically worked out the German operational structure and deployment situation entirely from traffic analysis before the improved Enigma was reliably broken revealed a lot that was meant to be kept s…

In fact, if I were running strategy, I would want my opponent to think I used a computer of speed x or storage system of size k, spending lots of resources chasing a false solution.

Re: Norway: Soldiers' location history found in data sold by Tamoco

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check the settings on your phone, the ones with location data access are selling it.

All of them? How do you know this?

You don't but you could make the point that since they are not open source, you will never be sure about it.

Even if GDPR should protect against it.

Re: Norway: Soldiers' location history found in data sold by Tamoco

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Traffic Analysis. A lot of British intelligence during WW2 was gleamed not from the contents of the messages they intercepted, but rather from tracking who was where and communicating with whom. And if you stop soldiers from using mobile phones on restricted ground, you are just going to have lots of tracks stopping abruptly at the gates and secure facilities identifiable by their lack of emissions. Patterns. There h…

It was giving that away in his book, rather than any of the other activities at Bletchley Park, that got Gordon Welchman into trouble. Even without any detail as to the techniques used, the fact that he and his group had basically worked out the German operational structure and deployment situation entirely from traffic analysis before the improved Enigma was reliably broken revealed a lot that was meant to be kept s…

Yes the hut six story was an excellent and eye opening book. We are quick to idolize Turing - and he was an amazing man - but there are others such as Welchman and Tutte who sadly get less attention.

Re: Norway: Soldiers' location history found in data sold by Tamoco

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Don't allow soldiers to have mobile on restricted ground...

Traffic Analysis. A lot of British intelligence during WW2 was gleamed not from the contents of the messages they intercepted, but rather from tracking who was where and communicating with whom. And if you stop soldiers from using mobile phones on restricted ground, you are just going to have lots of tracks stopping abruptly at the gates and secure facilities identifiable by their lack of emissions. Patterns. There h…

Just make the exclusion region a bit bigger than the grounds itself?

In any case, the attack here was to identify personnel based on known locations, not finding new locations in the first place. Big bases can't be hidden anyway, the best you can do is conceal what happens indoor in them so it seems silly to let foreign intelligence track personnel movement inside a base...

Re: Norway: Soldiers' location history found in data sold by Tamoco

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Reminds me of a story I heard: In a conflict, Russia sent SMS to the mothers of Ukrainian(?) soldiers, informing them of their son’s death (pretending to be the Ukrainian government/military). The mothers, distraught, called their son’s cellphone. The increased, clustered cellphone activity near the frontline gave away the unit positions. Shortly after, Russian bombs dropped.

Went looking for citations: https://www.ausa.org/articles/russia-gives-lessons-electroni... https://mwi.usma.edu/text-messages-hell-restraint-informatio...

That's some next level evil genius. Pretty scary.

Re: Norway: Soldiers' location history found in data sold by Tamoco

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This reminds me of this rumour about how someone used tinder to triangulate opponent units during an exercise and arty them to shit. Supposedly Finns outwitting Norwegians, but is a anon text so who knows: https://imgur.com/gallery/bySUH

There have been alot of stories about stuff like this. One of the public ones I remember was if you were looking for US forces in unusual places, you'd find their running paths on Strava.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/28/fitness-tracki...

Re: Norway: Soldiers' location history found in data sold by Tamoco

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This reminds me of this rumour about how someone used tinder to triangulate opponent units during an exercise and arty them to shit. Supposedly Finns outwitting Norwegians, but is a anon text so who knows: https://imgur.com/gallery/bySUH

Reminds me of a story I heard: In a conflict, Russia sent SMS to the mothers of Ukrainian(?) soldiers, informing them of their son’s death (pretending to be the Ukrainian government/military). The mothers, distraught, called their son’s cellphone. The increased, clustered cellphone activity near the frontline gave away the unit positions. Shortly after, Russian bombs dropped.

If the russians could get the mother's phone numbers, why not the sons? If you're able to identify the location of call activity, why aren't you able to identify the cell while not on a call, when as far as I am aware there is still communication?

Re: Norway: Soldiers' location history found in data sold by Tamoco

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Reminds me of a story I heard: In a conflict, Russia sent SMS to the mothers of Ukrainian(?) soldiers, informing them of their son’s death (pretending to be the Ukrainian government/military). The mothers, distraught, called their son’s cellphone. The increased, clustered cellphone activity near the frontline gave away the unit positions. Shortly after, Russian bombs dropped.

If the russians could get the mother's phone numbers, why not the sons? If you're able to identify the location of call activity, why aren't you able to identify the cell while not on a call, when as far as I am aware there is still communication?

Maybe they couldn’t and just sent the SMS to a lot of random numbers. Those that belonged to mothers at the frontline naturally tried to call their sons.

Re: Norway: Soldiers' location history found in data sold by Tamoco

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If the russians could get the mother's phone numbers, why not the sons? If you're able to identify the location of call activity, why aren't you able to identify the cell while not on a call, when as far as I am aware there is still communication?

Maybe they couldn’t and just sent the SMS to a lot of random numbers. Those that belonged to mothers at the frontline naturally tried to call their sons.

Right. Still curious about monitoring cell activity only during calls. Thinking if you can monitor the cells, just look at the front line cells for comms.
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