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Chekhov's Gun

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Re: Chekhov's Gun

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I've never been a fan of Chekhov's gun. Interactions and details that aren't directly connected to the main plot do a good job at giving the world texture and making it feel alive. Fiction that does away with too many unrelated details (and I'd argue a lot of fiction does this) often feels artificial and empty to me.

Chekhov wrote plays and specially short-stories. Different beasts from novels.

Re: Chekhov's Gun

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post #49

This annoys me greatly in commercial movies because often it makes the plot predictable. Most of the things that you see are consequential to the plot, so there are no surprises.

This is exactly the comment I was about to make. It becomes a relatively simple mental exercise to guess the possible effects of each item in the scene on the plot.

I think many of the better movies out there are known for adding details that do not play into the plot, but which are there more for art's sake. It's something that is usually appreciated where it occurs, and it definitely improves the quality of the movie.

Re: Chekhov's Gun

#53

I've never been a fan of Chekhov's gun. Interactions and details that aren't directly connected to the main plot do a good job at giving the world texture and making it feel alive. Fiction that does away with too many unrelated details (and I'd argue a lot of fiction does this) often feels artificial and empty to me.

What's more, when prose is too tight, any extraneous detail immediately stands out, and you automatically start wondering why the author mentioned it.

More like, you immediately start guessing how the author will use it in the story.

Re: Chekhov's Gun

#54

Useful, but not universal. Efficiency is not the point of storytelling. Some details might not appear to have led anywhere in the story, but could have been there for texture, subtext or symbolism. Chekhov's minimal, efficient, realist style is unique to him and complements his tone and content, but it's not a necessary condition for good writing. Consider Nabokov's short story Symbols and Signs ( https://www.newyork…

It seems more relevant for movies and tv, where the camera often points to the gun very noticeably. I enjoy showing off as a prophet simply paying attention to that.

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#55

Once you read this article, it will ruin every book, movie and TV show you watch.

It's become too frequently used. You don't even need to read the article to have noticed it in play in way too many movies and shows.

Re: Chekhov's Gun

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post #19

It's really fun to call out Chekhov Guns while watching movies with a group. You appear clairvoyant.

Or in my case, I just annoy my SO. ME: "Oh, you know that (x) is gonna (y) before this episode is over...they just have to! It's Chekhov's (x)!" HER: :groan: :rolleyes:

Lol so true

Re: Chekhov's Gun

#57

I wonder if there's an analogy between a schizophrenic looking at reality and a savy movie goer looking at a movie. There's certainly something a bit deranged to "movie logic". This random object can't be for nothing , it will be the linchpin later! Why would that street sign keep showing up if it wasn't incredibly important? Maybe the killer lives on that street!

I think that's actually something that movies and video games have in common. If you find a random key in real life, it's very unlikely to be useful. If you find a key in game while exploring a dungeon, you can be pretty sure there's a locked door you'll want it for somewhere later on.

(I remember an old blog post Eskil Steenberg I read years ago about game design and procedural generation that talked about this; specifically, about the difference in the feel of the game between making sure there's only one solution to every problem, or allowing for some degree of flexibility so that the player is sometimes able to achieve their goals in unexpected ways.)

Re: Chekhov's Gun

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Learning about this trope has, to some effect, ruined some movies for me. The most recent example I can think of is (spoilers?) Once Upon a Time In Hollywood.

As soon as I saw DiCaprio's character putting a flamethrower away into his shed, I just knew that there would be some ridiculous climax featuring the flamethrower being used in some way, which kind of ruined the surprise and spectacle of the scene.

Re: Chekhov's Gun

#59
In the Harry Potter series, Rowling makes a conspicuous mention of the diadem in book 5 and it never pays off in the book. It seemed so strange to me. When it returned in the 7th book I literally yelped with joy.

Re: Chekhov's Gun

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post #21

One of the reasons the final season of GOT was so bad is because there were a lot of Chekhov's guns that never went off...

No one wanted to see Tyrion and Sansa fight the corpse of Ned Stark.
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