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Ohio Prison Death Updates [pdf]

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Re: Ohio Prison Death Updates [pdf]

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Post by limaoscarjuliet »

vkou wrote: post #8
ecpottinger wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Diamond Princess had a far higher percentage of older (over 70) people. I also would like to know if the HVAC system is as centralize in a prison as it is on a cruise ship.

HVAC is not the problem. The problem is that prisoners routinely share common spaces. It doesn't matter how the air circulates, when they all cook, eat, work, shower, and exercise in the exact same communal rooms. Combine that with insufficient sanitation, and it's a miracle that only half of them got sick.

HVAC might be a problem, there was a CDC article demonstrating how A/C was attributed to specific cases in China https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0764_article

Re: Ohio Prison Death Updates [pdf]

#52

Post by rwmurrayVT »

m0zg wrote: post #34

I've read somewhere (but don't know if it's true) that prison meals are enriched with vitamins, and in particular with vitamin D. Could someone confirm? Also, there are fewer old prisoners than old people in the general population.

Personal experience tells me that it's most likely not true. I have seen a great deal of the food that we cooked in federal prison. I'd label the beverages like fruit juice being enriched as a "maybe".

We typically had lower quality of the same food stuffs you'd buy at the grocers. Protein/canned vegetables/"fresh" fruit/rice.

Re: Ohio Prison Death Updates [pdf]

#53

Post by mistermann »

slg wrote: post #42
mistermann wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best I know of: http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/?s=covid https://www.arnoldkling.com/ . https://marginalrevolution.com/?s=covid https://marginalrevolution.com/about Those are two blogs that I think everyone should subscribe to. arnoldkling.com is particularly interesting because it seems to have unusually high quality in the comments section.

I opened the first link and went to the post exactly from a month ago to see what it said. This part was strangely fitting considering your original complaint: >Having said all that, I am also dismayed that laymen put such pressure on epidemiologists to make forecasts. Imagine if it was your job when you see a leaf falling from a tree 40 feet overhead to place your foot on the exact spot where you “forecast” that the…

> This part was strangely fitting considering your original complaint

I don't think I made any complaint, did I?

This forum is becoming more inexplicably unusual every day - provide objectively quality responses to a specific request, and get downvoted, with a side order of insult to boot.

Re: Ohio Prison Death Updates [pdf]

#54

Post by vkou »

limaoscarjuliet wrote: post #51
vkou wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HVAC is not the problem. The problem is that prisoners routinely share common spaces. It doesn't matter how the air circulates, when they all cook, eat, work, shower, and exercise in the exact same communal rooms. Combine that with insufficient sanitation, and it's a miracle that only half of them got sick.

HVAC might be a problem, there was a CDC article demonstrating how A/C was attributed to specific cases in China https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0764_article

I agree that HVAC can cause spread. My point is that prison life does not allow for social distancing, and that the HVAC is irrelevant when everyone is living in essentially the same space.

Re: Ohio Prison Death Updates [pdf]

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Post by [deleted] »

mistermann wrote: post #53
slg wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I opened the first link and went to the post exactly from a month ago to see what it said. This part was strangely fitting considering your original complaint: >Having said all that, I am also dismayed that laymen put such pressure on epidemiologists to make forecasts. Imagine if it was your job when you see a leaf falling from a tree 40 feet overhead to place your foot on the exact spot where you “forecast” that the…

> This part was strangely fitting considering your original complaint I don't think I made any complaint, did I? This forum is becoming more inexplicably unusual every day - provide objectively quality responses to a specific request, and get downvoted, with a side order of insult to boot.

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Re: Ohio Prison Death Updates [pdf]

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Post by slg »

mistermann wrote: post #53
slg wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I opened the first link and went to the post exactly from a month ago to see what it said. This part was strangely fitting considering your original complaint: >Having said all that, I am also dismayed that laymen put such pressure on epidemiologists to make forecasts. Imagine if it was your job when you see a leaf falling from a tree 40 feet overhead to place your foot on the exact spot where you “forecast” that the…

> This part was strangely fitting considering your original complaint I don't think I made any complaint, did I? This forum is becoming more inexplicably unusual every day - provide objectively quality responses to a specific request, and get downvoted, with a side order of insult to boot.

Sorry, my fault. I mixed up usernames. It was a different person who was criticizing experts and then you came in to back up their point with examples of good amateur work, but you made no direct complaint.

Re: Ohio Prison Death Updates [pdf]

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Post by mistermann »

slg wrote: post #56
mistermann wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This part was strangely fitting considering your original complaint I don't think I made any complaint, did I? This forum is becoming more inexplicably unusual every day - provide objectively quality responses to a specific request, and get downvoted, with a side order of insult to boot.

Sorry, my fault. I mixed up usernames. It was a different person who was criticizing experts and then you came in to back up their point with examples of good amateur work, but you made no direct complaint.

> Sorry, my fault. I mixed up usernames.

So what if you did? What if I had made a criticism of experts, do you then downvote every other comment I make, regardless of its quality?

I would very much like to hear your justification.

EDIT: It might be a good idea for you to subscribe to the two blogs I mentioned above. It sounds like criticism of experts is something you haven't had a lot of exposure to.

Re: Ohio Prison Death Updates [pdf]

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Post by slg »

mistermann wrote: post #57
slg wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, my fault. I mixed up usernames. It was a different person who was criticizing experts and then you came in to back up their point with examples of good amateur work, but you made no direct complaint.

> Sorry, my fault. I mixed up usernames. So what if you did? What if I had made a criticism of experts, do you then downvote every other comment I make, regardless of its quality? I would very much like to hear your justification. EDIT: It might be a good idea for you to subscribe to the two blogs I mentioned above. It sounds like criticism of experts is something you haven't had a lot of exposure to.

I don't know what to tell you because I didn't downvote any comments in this thread. You can see comments by other people here were downvoted too, including a direct response to me and HN prevents you from downvoting direct responses. All I did was post a comment from the blog you linked that was directly relevant to the criticism in the first comment to which I was replying. I mistakenly assumed that original comment and the linked site were both from the same person and I already apologized for that mistake.

Re: Ohio Prison Death Updates [pdf]

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Post by mistermann »

slg wrote: post #58
mistermann wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sorry, my fault. I mixed up usernames. So what if you did? What if I had made a criticism of experts, do you then downvote every other comment I make, regardless of its quality? I would very much like to hear your justification. EDIT: It might be a good idea for you to subscribe to the two blogs I mentioned above. It sounds like criticism of experts is something you haven't had a lot of exposure to.

I don't know what to tell you because I didn't downvote any comments in this thread. You can see comments by other people here were downvoted too, including a direct response to me and HN prevents you from downvoting direct responses. All I did was post a comment from the blog you linked that was directly relevant to the criticism in the first comment to which I was replying. I mistakenly assumed that original commen…

My apologies, I thought your apology occuring in close proximity to an upvote was suggestive that it had been you changing your mind. Sorry for the misunderstanding!

Re: Ohio Prison Death Updates [pdf]

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Post by slg »

mistermann wrote: post #59
slg wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know what to tell you because I didn't downvote any comments in this thread. You can see comments by other people here were downvoted too, including a direct response to me and HN prevents you from downvoting direct responses. All I did was post a comment from the blog you linked that was directly relevant to the criticism in the first comment to which I was replying. I mistakenly assumed that original commen…

My apologies, I thought your apology occuring in close proximity to an upvote was suggestive that it had been you changing your mind. Sorry for the misunderstanding!

Thanks. It is rare to have an anonymous internet interaction in which we can both admit where we were wrong.
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