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I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

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Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

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post #26

Wow, comment section there is a true dumpster fire. That said, it seems that America is just flailing about and hoping for the best. and not even expecting the worst if the comment section is to be believed.

It’s literally amazing. I never knew the Stasi were such a big cultural meme in Texas.

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

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I just sent the URI to a friend with a restaurant. I think Mark Cuban did a public service here, ignoring some of the horrible comments left on his blog. Even though I am at risk (old age and damaged lungs from pulmonary embolisms), I am for reasoned reopening of our economy, but only if we do it with I would call “smart style”: adopt safety measures and make them mandated by law. I wish more people would look at the…

I agree with you. It's nice to see reasonable people who understand the risk personally.

I saw a comment the other day where somebody said that we can't open anything up until a vaccine is developed. That is one extreme. then you have the other crowd who says just open it up and let me go see football and baseball games.

I think the worst part about all of this has been the fact that it's happened in a election year. We have a habit in this country of turning every election into an existential crisis, which is a recipe for creating radicalized viewpoints. Our media has now turned this into a partisan issue and now it's being treated as such.

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

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post #45
post #27

The stock market is soaring, People are dying at an ever increasing rate, and It’s becoming painfully obvious to most people what a total failure our federal govt’s as been. Things are about to move into dust bowl depression with the extremely rich at the top and 90% wallowing in desperate poverty. I’m afraid the American experiment is over and it’s a sad outcome.

People are dying at an increasing rate? What data are you referencing? I'm a little blown away by statements like this. The United States is not New York City. New York City is a single location in a massive country. Other than New York City there really has not been a problem with coronavirus in the United States compared to other nations in the world. It is imperative that we all act responsibly to prevent other pa…

You've got it backwards.

New York's curve has flattened, and is trending downwards.

When you remove New York from the US numbers, the trends look much worse.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/06/opinion/coron...

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

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post #26

Wow, comment section there is a true dumpster fire. That said, it seems that America is just flailing about and hoping for the best. and not even expecting the worst if the comment section is to be believed.

For those curious, a significant percentage of the commenters seem to think that this is exactly equivalent to the Stasi.

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

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> And bigger picture, I wanted to know if these are places that I would feel safe taking my family to. I think this is the most important metric as far as “re-opening the economy” goes but it seems to be largely ignored by politicians.

That is an entirely subjective measure that can only be determined by each individual/household rather than something that can be determined centrally and applied to everyone.

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

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post #32

> Media coverage, showcasing owner sentiment and infection statistics, paint a picture of a large degree of latent fear in the marketplace. Imagine how traumatic it will be if the death toll spikes up. We have fear because the virus is still active and deadly. If those fears are found to be justified than I suspect even smaller more sane opening up steps will be unpopular.

And that’s not even touching the civil litigation risk.

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do people insist on unnecessary mass deaths when we have examples of how to effectively respond to this disease in countries like South Korea and Taiwan without them? Why do people lean into this falsely-premised fatalism instead of demanding what has been proven to work?

I don't get the downvotes for the above comment. The "choice" between "stay at home forever" or "open all the things up" is a false one. If we do test/trace/isolate, and start requiring masks in enclosed spaces, we could start opening up in a fairly safe way.

That would mean it's safe for Dallas to open up, since the state is doing test/trace/isolate and the city requires masks in enclosed spaces.

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

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> And bigger picture, I wanted to know if these are places that I would feel safe taking my family to. I think this is the most important metric as far as “re-opening the economy” goes but it seems to be largely ignored by politicians.

Furthermore, we have 75k dead. If we think we've peaked, this means we lose another 75k on the way down. And of course nobody with any opinion worth considering thinks we have peaked. So it looks like we could easily break 200k... If people weren't spending money out before, it'll be twice as worse. TL;DR If you don't fix the biology, you will not get the economy sorted. This will just make everything worse. Totally…

> And of course nobody with any opinion worth considering thinks we have peaked.

This is unnecessarily insulting. Many places have peaked, especially if you look at new cases and not deaths.

There's a difference between a peak and a halfway point. We could have reached the peak but only 10% of deaths if there's a long plateau slightly lower than the peak.

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell that to the parents of the children who just died of Kawasaki-like inflammation from the virus in NYC. We’re still seeing novel presentation of symptoms in various cohorts and have no idea of its long term impacts on children or anyone else.

We have no idea about the long term effects of closing down economies either. In statistical terms, very few children have died of COVID-19. We're not even sure that syndrome you mentioned is caused by COVID-19, so it seems a bit premature to tell anything to their parents. Kinda disgusting you'd go there so quickly, in fact.

We’re not certain, but all signs point to it being so, and we’re rushing advisements to pediatric care providers accordingly:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Bay-Area-baby-s-...

I don’t understand why demanding caution against harm to children in a dangerous, unpredictable situation is “disgusting.” It certainly seems less so to me then an a false confidence that could throw them into harms way.

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that your children are unlikely to be at serious risk from COVID-19, I'm not sure why. Your child is much more likely to be adversely affected (in the long term) by sustained economic stagnation than by this virus.

Considering most countries try to avoid overwhelming the healthcare system, your child is affected by it though not directly. It should just not get sick, or have any form of preexisting condition about to pop up, or infect it's parents to name some possibilities.

Considering many US hospitals are going under for lack patients, this is an argument that doesn't apply.
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