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Re: GitHub Insights

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Post by ric2b » Thu, May 07, 2020, 9:56 AM UTC

sergioisidoro wrote: post #39

ryanwaggoner wrote: post #38

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We use these metrics not to point fingers, but to ensure people are not overcommitting, overworked, and that people know how many things they have on their table. Perhaps people have little faith in most management, and expect that tools like this will be used to point fingers. You're not wrong about misuse of these tools being a symptom of bad management, but if 90% of the management in an industry is inclined to mi…

You're right, it's reasonable to be dismayed, but imho not so reasonable to want to keep the metrics hidden. Feels like we, as an industry, already had this conversation in infosec - abot security by obfuscation - which has some parallels here. The conclusion was that hiding things is generally a bad solution to the underlying problems.

This has nothing to do with security by obscurity. There aren't hundreds/thousands of anonymous managers probing into your teams metrics trying to find the single metric that will defeat your team.

Re: GitHub Insights

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Post by ric2b » Thu, May 07, 2020, 10:00 AM UTC

_jal wrote: post #30

developer2 wrote: post #16

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Nope, fuck this. The moment a product mentions "From developer to CEO" (ie. includes the word "CEO"), this is bad news. As soon as you introduce any metrics involving "participation awards" (whether based on lines of code, commits, reviews/pull-requests, etc.), the company is doomed to fail at understanding how productivity/worth is measured in the development world. The fact they even mention "CEO" in their tagline…

As a profession, developers are likely more responsible for imposing mechanical, inhuman metrics and instrumentation on society than anyone since double-entry accounting was invented. Everything from upvotes/likes/internet points to in-house fraud detection to click tracking to Captchas to facial recognition and tracking... Of course programmers are going to emit signals that those signing checks are going to take in…

That's like saying construction workers have been imposing bridges on everyone.

Developers are rarely in control of a product's features.

Re: GitHub Insights

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Post by searchableguy » Thu, May 07, 2020, 10:27 AM UTC

sdesol wrote: post #44

sergioisidoro wrote: post #32

What is going on here? A lot of the comments on this thread seem to be confusing bad management with metric visibility. And it seems they would prefer to bury the metrics so they are not used to "snitch out" on people. Looks like a mix of dishonesty and toxic culture at work. We basically built these metrics with Prometheus and grafana because our review queue kept growing. Now we keep everyone accountable, and make…

I think peoples concerns are quite valid, but a lot of the criticism comes from poorly designed tools. In full disclosure, I've been researching developer insights for quite a while and I will be releasing something in the near future that focuses on "developer first metrics". The goal is to showcase how code metrics can be used by developers to improve their day to day routine. And by doing so, make software metrics…

You should avoid using Imgur. Their links don't work on mobile correctly. It crashes my browser.

Re: GitHub Insights

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Post by prepend » Thu, May 07, 2020, 11:47 AM UTC

I wish it would give web traffic for public repos going back more than two weeks.

Re: GitHub Insights

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Post by sdesol » Thu, May 07, 2020, 4:27 PM UTC

searchableguy wrote: post #53

sdesol wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think peoples concerns are quite valid, but a lot of the criticism comes from poorly designed tools. In full disclosure, I've been researching developer insights for quite a while and I will be releasing something in the near future that focuses on "developer first metrics". The goal is to showcase how code metrics can be used by developers to improve their day to day routine. And by doing so, make software metrics…

You should avoid using Imgur. Their links don't work on mobile correctly. It crashes my browser.

Thanks for letting me know! You would think Imgur would would ensure things work on mobile, but maybe this is by design.

Re: GitHub Insights

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Post by searchableguy » Thu, May 07, 2020, 8:48 PM UTC

sdesol wrote: post #55

searchableguy wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should avoid using Imgur. Their links don't work on mobile correctly. It crashes my browser.

Thanks for letting me know! You would think Imgur would would ensure things work on mobile, but maybe this is by design.

it is by design. Imgur was mobile friendly before.

Re: GitHub Insights

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Post by SimonLH » Sat, May 09, 2020, 11:13 AM UTC

Well, there's a new alternative on the market: http://sigmetic.io

It's currently in beta, but it looks really cool!!

Kindest regard Founder of Sigmetic ;p

Re: GitHub Insights

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Post by moises_silva » Mon, May 11, 2020, 11:38 AM UTC

onecup wrote: post #20

mythshaker wrote: post #5

they debuted this as part of the enterprise offerings but it doesn't seem nearly as robust as gitprime (RIP) or code climate velocity

Which is a good thing IMO. Tools like gitprime and code climate are plagued with vanity metrics.

I am researching these kind of tools at the moment, and, although I'm not convinced myself yet, I am curious to learn. What kind of vanity metrics are gitprime and code climate plagued with?