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Wanna Do Business in Pyongyang? Call Alejandro Cao de Benós

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Re: Wanna Do Business in Pyongyang? Call Alejandro Cao de Benós

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Post by kapakos »

throwlaplace wrote: post #50
therealissues wrote: post #9

"Lately, Cao de Benós says he’s fostered agreements with European companies to use cheap, skilled labor on technology projects. “We develop a lot of apps for Android and iOS, and very cheap,” he says. “And we are very strong in animation. We export a lot for all kinds of modern cartoons.” He cites an example, but obliquely: “Let’s say you’re making a cartoon, and you are outsourcing the work. So you go to Romania, be…

>The shadow hands of globally sanctioned socialist labor are all around us what a weird smear. who in their right mind really believes DPRK is the realization of any kind of socialism? i guess the nazis were socialists too then.

Yes indeed. They were national socialists.

Re: Wanna Do Business in Pyongyang? Call Alejandro Cao de Benós

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Post by throwlaplace »

kapakos wrote: post #51
throwlaplace wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The shadow hands of globally sanctioned socialist labor are all around us what a weird smear. who in their right mind really believes DPRK is the realization of any kind of socialism? i guess the nazis were socialists too then.

Yes indeed. They were national socialists.

it's doublespeak - they weren't socialists

>The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both Marxist international socialism and free market capitalism. Nazism rejected the Marxist concepts of class conflict and universal equality, opposed cosmopolitan internationalism, and sought to convince all parts of the new German society to subordinate their personal interests to the "common good", accepting political interests as the main priority of economic organization,[9] which tended to match the general outlook of collectivism or communitarianism rather than economic socialism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

Re: Wanna Do Business in Pyongyang? Call Alejandro Cao de Benós

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Post by 9nGQluzmnq3M »

Ididntdothis wrote: post #47
9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An ambassador is a citizen of their country and is subject to getting recalled and being sent to reform-through-labor camp to forage corn kernels from frozen pig shit if they don't toe the line. This guy, on the hand, has voluntarily chosen to be an apologist and enabler for one of the most oppressive regimes on the planet.

“one of the most oppressive regimes on the planet.“ Does North Korea have any competition for this title? I thought they were number one on that list.

Eritrea is right up there as well, but they don't have nukes, so nobody cares.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Eritrea

Re: Wanna Do Business in Pyongyang? Call Alejandro Cao de Benós

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Post by [deleted] »

therealissues wrote: post #9

"Lately, Cao de Benós says he’s fostered agreements with European companies to use cheap, skilled labor on technology projects. “We develop a lot of apps for Android and iOS, and very cheap,” he says. “And we are very strong in animation. We export a lot for all kinds of modern cartoons.” He cites an example, but obliquely: “Let’s say you’re making a cartoon, and you are outsourcing the work. So you go to Romania, be…

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Re: Wanna Do Business in Pyongyang? Call Alejandro Cao de Benós

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Post by kelnos »

virgilp wrote: post #22
therealissues wrote: post #9

"Lately, Cao de Benós says he’s fostered agreements with European companies to use cheap, skilled labor on technology projects. “We develop a lot of apps for Android and iOS, and very cheap,” he says. “And we are very strong in animation. We export a lot for all kinds of modern cartoons.” He cites an example, but obliquely: “Let’s say you’re making a cartoon, and you are outsourcing the work. So you go to Romania, be…

> We know it's a shady country You think it is - in reality, it's not really so shady. He probably picked the name not because it's true but because it's believable.

I wouldn't even think of this as being shady. If you're a firm based in a country where it's politically/legally ok to work with people in North Korea, and someone (from a country where it isn't) employs you to do some work, and doesn't contractually require you to do the work yourself, and you know you can get someone else to do it for much cheaper, but still meet all the requirements... why wouldn't you do that? It's not shady at all; it's just... smart. The client is getting the product for the agreed-upon price. They're effectively paying for your ability to work with people that they can't work with.

Re: Wanna Do Business in Pyongyang? Call Alejandro Cao de Benós

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Post by strategarius »

Which proves ancient statement "Greed and cowardliness rule the world". I'm sure, there are people even in Western democracies, who perfectly aware where their outsource projects comes from. Not to say about China and Russia - they use slave labor of North Koreans for decades. Slaves from North Korea built stadiums for World Cup 2018 [0] in Russia. Everyone there knew about it (I'm Russian as well), there was plenty of evidence. Did anyone boycott the games?

[0] https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/3205842/russia-2018-world-cup...

Re: Wanna Do Business in Pyongyang? Call Alejandro Cao de Benós

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Post by throwlaplace »

throwlaplace wrote: post #52
kapakos wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes indeed. They were national socialists.

it's doublespeak - they weren't socialists >The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both Marxist international socialism and free market capitalism. Nazism rejected the Marxist concepts of class conflict and universal equality, opposed cosmopolitan internationalism, and sought to convince all parts of the new German society to subor…

I'm at -1 downvotes on the above comment. There should be some kind of system that reverses this kind of denialism on the bastion of intellectualism we call hn.

Re: Wanna Do Business in Pyongyang? Call Alejandro Cao de Benós

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Post by jacobush »

torben-friis wrote: post #42
oarabbus_ wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By the context I am understanding he spouts NK regime propaganda to the Spanish people?

Yup (I’m a Spaniard as well). Take this with a grain of salt as I’m talking from memory, but I think he’s acted as a middleman with North Korea to set up trips to the country for tourism, including for some Spanish journalists that were taken through very controlled routes. I remember the guy kept talking about how the North Koreans don’t mess around and so the people should be careful, about how great the Kim family…

The Soviet Union used to have diplomats and "attaches" who spoke pitch perfect Swedish.

Re: Wanna Do Business in Pyongyang? Call Alejandro Cao de Benós

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Post by jacobush »

9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #53
Ididntdothis wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“one of the most oppressive regimes on the planet.“ Does North Korea have any competition for this title? I thought they were number one on that list.

Eritrea is right up there as well, but they don't have nukes, so nobody cares. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Eritrea

On the other hand, should the stars align so that anyone cares, Eritrea is open to foreign intervention.

Libya cancelled its nuclear program in the early 21st century and welcomed UN inspections. Then an international alliance force removed Gaddafi from power and he was killed.

I am sure would-be-dictators all over the world are taking note - if you have nukes, you don't face invasion.

Re: Wanna Do Business in Pyongyang? Call Alejandro Cao de Benós

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Post by hackerman123469 »

jacobush wrote: post #59
9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eritrea is right up there as well, but they don't have nukes, so nobody cares. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Eritrea

On the other hand, should the stars align so that anyone cares, Eritrea is open to foreign intervention. Libya cancelled its nuclear program in the early 21st century and welcomed UN inspections. Then an international alliance force removed Gaddafi from power and he was killed. I am sure would-be-dictators all over the world are taking note - if you have nukes, you don't face invasion.

Unless you have "nukes"
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