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Saying Thank You to the NHS, Using Clojure

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Re: Saying Thank You to the NHS, Using Clojure

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I see OP's attitude a lot on Reddit and (sadly) a few times here too. It seems common decency is a dirty word when there's political point scoring to be had. Rebranding it as "virtue signalling" is another one.

In the US I often see saying publicly “thanks” as a cheap (and cynical) alternative to actually funding things properly. So with me it leaves a bad taste if it’s not accompanied by a call for proper funding or other action to rectify things.

I think this article sums it up nicely: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/i-work-gro...

Re: Saying Thank You to the NHS, Using Clojure

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Yes, they'd been in windows for a couple weeks before that in the UK. It's a nice thing for kids to make, with the original aim of being something to spot when being taken on walks. Kids like drawing rainbows, they get to use all the colours in the box. Loads of the rainbow pictures have extra messages written on them. NHS support messages are most common. Hence why they are partly associated to the NHS People can do…

It is nice. Thanks, I was genuinely curious - I hadn’t seen or heard of it before the Queen mentioned it. Rainbows seem a slightly naive choice in that case but if it’s an organic grass roots thing that’s pure chance, of course.

If you don't have kids, and even then if {you|partner|other person involved in caring for kids} aren't on social media (afaik FB was where it gained traction initially, on parent groups, though it was already being reported on), then it was kinda easy to miss -- I didn't know about it when my partner said she was going to help daughter make one, and I think that was a week or so after started popping up (they'd already been appearing across Italy at that point, possibly Spain as well?)

Re: Saying Thank You to the NHS, Using Clojure

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The UK continuously votes to reduce healthcare funding relative to the rest of the world, so it's either "no funding and thanks" or "no funding".

The UK has never reduced NHS funding in real terms year on year.

Actually it has

https://imgur.com/WrTXfQS

From 1970 the amount of money the UK spent on healthcare per capita bobbed kept bobbing around between 90% and 100% of 1970 levels (when adjusted for healthcare inflation of all G7 countries) until 1992. There was then a slight increase until 1998, large increases until 2004, then it dropped until 2012. It jumped massively in 2013, then dropped slightly in 2014, remaining steady through 2017.

Since the 2007 financial crash, UK health funding dropped in 9 years, and increased in 3 years

(figures from OECD total health spending per country)

Re: Saying Thank You to the NHS, Using Clojure

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The UK has never reduced NHS funding in real terms year on year.

Actually it has https://imgur.com/WrTXfQS From 1970 the amount of money the UK spent on healthcare per capita bobbed kept bobbing around between 90% and 100% of 1970 levels (when adjusted for healthcare inflation of all G7 countries) until 1992. There was then a slight increase until 1998, large increases until 2004, then it dropped until 2012. It jumped massively in 2013, then dropped slightly in 2014, remaining ste…

Please re-read my statement and compare it to your claim.

Re: Saying Thank You to the NHS, Using Clojure

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To the OP: Your write-up (nicely done) is particularly interesting to me in that I'm using this unplanned furlough to work on diving back into Clojure and coincidentally was wanting to set up some static personal sites. Thanks for sharing the write-up and sentiments.

May I ask: - Do you use this approach more generally in your work? At first glance, it feels heavyweight for something like a blog (e.g. the intention site), but after perusal I appreciated the clarity of the Clojure code. Just curious if you've been doing this a lot and whether you find it efficient in the longer-term. - Do you have any opinions regarding the more "framework like" static generation tools for Clojure (misaki, etc)?

Re: Saying Thank You to the NHS, Using Clojure

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post #53

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Actually it has https://imgur.com/WrTXfQS From 1970 the amount of money the UK spent on healthcare per capita bobbed kept bobbing around between 90% and 100% of 1970 levels (when adjusted for healthcare inflation of all G7 countries) until 1992. There was then a slight increase until 1998, large increases until 2004, then it dropped until 2012. It jumped massively in 2013, then dropped slightly in 2014, remaining ste…

Please re-read my statement and compare it to your claim.

You said "The UK has never reduced NHS funding in real terms year on year"

I have shown how it has, 9 times in the last 12 years.

Re: Saying Thank You to the NHS, Using Clojure

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Are you suggesting that one should only look at the absolute numbers? Staying at the previous year's funding is usually - in practice - a reduction for most welfare services.

I am suggesting we keep in line with reality and facts, nothing more, nothing less.

Yes, and facts is that freezing funding while costs rise is effectively a reduction in funding.

Re: Saying Thank You to the NHS, Using Clojure

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I've been wondering how much they "exploited" the recently-turned-100 Captain who was walking up and down his garden 100 times to raise money for the NHS. He or his family probably came up with the idea themselves, but I wonder if some individuals working in the government helped it "go viral". The same government that's been slowly stripping the NHS, when suddenly, a free 100 million pounds (and counting) to spend!…

The money goes to charities associated with the NHS, not the NHS itself. This isn't a subtle difference, it completely torpedoes everything in your comment.

"completely torpedoes everything". From a man talking about subtleties.

I had to look up if the charities came because of Tory austerity, they aren't. But well, please read this article: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/22/giving...

This is like saying donating to teachers so they can buy school supplies doesn't mean it's helping fund the school...

Re: Saying Thank You to the NHS, Using Clojure

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The NHS needs funding, not our "thanks". I didn't realise it was either/or.

The UK continuously votes to reduce healthcare funding relative to the rest of the world, so it's either "no funding and thanks" or "no funding".

The author has no control over NHS funding (other than encouraging people to donate toNHS charities, which he explicitly does).

Why is he not allowed under your set of values to give thanks?

Re: Saying Thank You to the NHS, Using Clojure

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The money goes to charities associated with the NHS, not the NHS itself. This isn't a subtle difference, it completely torpedoes everything in your comment.

"completely torpedoes everything". From a man talking about subtleties. I had to look up if the charities came because of Tory austerity, they aren't. But well, please read this article: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/22/giving... This is like saying donating to teachers so they can buy school supplies doesn't mean it's helping fund the school...

Sorry, that was hyperbole. But I am fully aware of what the NHS associated charities are, I don't need to look them up or read about them. Yes, in some cases they have been abused. In some cases I'm sure some percentages of the money raised here will each cause small financial abuses by an administrator of a trust which has been one of the beneficiaries. And I live in the north of England, you don't have to explain what the Tories are like, what they've done. But not everything is a conspiracy. It's a common thing to donate money to NHS charities. This went viral for really obvious reasons. There's a bad all over the government response to the crisis, but hey, let's make up a conspiracy theory and focus on that instead -- people are idiots aren't they, look at the idiots buying into this whereas you're so smart for realising that it's a conspiracy.
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