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Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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Post by dathinab »

diebeforei485 wrote: post #28
newscracker wrote: post #9

Should every person start keeping a list of all privacy intrusions and then opt out? That’s never going to work out due to user fatigue, which is what all these opt out platforms depend on (that nobody will go through the trouble of doing it). (Not exactly the same) Just like Facebook announced a few years ago asking users to send it nude photos just so it could take down nude photos of that person, this also is ripe…

I know the media attacked Facebook for that announcement, but everything I can gather suggests that it was just meant to give victims more control and didn't have any nefarious motives (unlike other 'features' offered by Facebook). https://twitter.com/alexstamos/status/1249202002875297792?s=...

Yes, but the problem is what if the "opt out" dataset is leaked. What if a Facebook employee steals the data.

IMHO if this kind of measurements are required to protection the user it's _generally_ a better idea to not have a system which requires that.

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

#52

Post by AlanYx »

bosie wrote: post #26
stiray wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a slight problem (i am not sure if this is valid case, just thinking loud), if the data were gathered from public sources like fb, they might argue that those data are public.

What part of fb is considered a 'public source'?

I imagine scraping Facebook might be similar to the result in the hiQ v. Linkedin case, involving scraping public LinkedIn information. At the time, the EFF and a lot of others celebrated the ruling. For example, the EFF characterized it as a victory for "...the wide variety of researchers, journalists, and companies who have had reason to fear cease and desist letters threatening liability simply for accessing publicly available information in a way that publishers object to."

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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Post by kennywinker »

Nextgrid wrote: post #30
bosie wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What part of fb is considered a 'public source'?

If you make your profile available publicly then I'd argue it is indeed public. As far as I'm aware, Clearview doesn't have a relationship with Facebook to access non-public data and instead they just operate a web crawler storing anything that's being served without requiring auth.

An image at the top of a news article on cnn.com is "public" in the sense that anyone can access it. But the company and the photographer still retain rights to that image - you can't take it and use it for whatever you like.

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

#54

Post by carapace »

salawat wrote: post #37
6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #10

As a California or EU resident, shouldn't it be illegal for it to be opt-out? (edit: on further reading it looks like GDPR requires opt in, while CCPA seems to only require opt in for people younger than 16, and requires opt-out for people 16 or older, which is some bullshit) Regardless, I should be able to say "I'm opting out" and the onus should be on them to figure out how to do it, rather than me submitting enoug…

The funny thing is that you can't really opt out if the mechanism they use to tell their system to ignore you is in and of itself facial recognition based. They'd have to crawl all incoming data, and compare it with you (I.e. identifying you) in order to know whether or not that picture they just slurped up was someone who had opted out. Opt-outs don't work by definition when what you are opting out of is a system of…

This. Just as every obscenity filter has to have a list of obscenities to work, these creepy bastards will track you to not-track you.

We need laws. (Or just let everybody know everything: "Privacy is dead".)

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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Post by hellcow »

xmodem wrote: post #47
hellcow wrote: post #2

I filled this out weeks ago... never got any response.

Which category are you in? I just submitted an access request under the EU resident category. If I don't get a response I will consider making another request in writing.

CCPA here. I submitted an info request, a data-deletion request, and an opt-out request. I got 0 responses.

At what point does an investigator take a look at this?

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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Post by buildbot »

For anyone with more legal knowledge than I have, how does scraping and processing social media and other image sources deal with copyright license, especially ones forbidding commercial use.

I feel like there's a meaningful legal difference between a totally public, open to be downloaded image of you from the internet, even storing it forever, and then using that in a product.

It would be like taking something with a GPL license - totally legit to download and use and modify and repost, with the original license/copyright attached - and using it in a closed source commercial product.

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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Post by kekeke2016 »

newscracker wrote: post #9

Should every person start keeping a list of all privacy intrusions and then opt out? That’s never going to work out due to user fatigue, which is what all these opt out platforms depend on (that nobody will go through the trouble of doing it). (Not exactly the same) Just like Facebook announced a few years ago asking users to send it nude photos just so it could take down nude photos of that person, this also is ripe…

I think people should probably stop using what we cutely call “the open web” when really it’s just another closed social network of financial interests distracting people from their lives

It’s essentially a filter bubble for finance ideas

You’re all doing it again, making “too big to fail” ideas that filter the benefits towards a minority (aka TV, and religion to an extent; utilitarian value aside, bubbles controlled by a minority, rent seeking on attention at scale)

Stop being a market for human rights abuse at scale

Name ONE facet of human existence Facebook has improved? Or Instagram? Other than generating wealth for a minority?

Did we have a huge problem organizing birthdays before?

I for one am excited to have front row seats from my cushy biotech job as the attention economy collapses

I don’t owe society my time in promise of a future it can’t honestly guarantee

Still waiting on my nuclear powered car, personal helicopter, and AI that does my job for me

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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Post by Rafuino »

I made a request for data access on February 12, and I still haven't heard a word from these asshats. Don't hold your breath on them actually honoring the request. I realllllly can't wait for CCPA enforcement to start this summer, though I know privacy invasive tech companies are lobbying to have enforcement delayed.

Re: Opt out of Clearview.ai

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Post by [deleted] »

diebeforei485 wrote: post #28
newscracker wrote: post #9

Should every person start keeping a list of all privacy intrusions and then opt out? That’s never going to work out due to user fatigue, which is what all these opt out platforms depend on (that nobody will go through the trouble of doing it). (Not exactly the same) Just like Facebook announced a few years ago asking users to send it nude photos just so it could take down nude photos of that person, this also is ripe…

I know the media attacked Facebook for that announcement, but everything I can gather suggests that it was just meant to give victims more control and didn't have any nefarious motives (unlike other 'features' offered by Facebook). https://twitter.com/alexstamos/status/1249202002875297792?s=...

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