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I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Post by peteretep »

wangii wrote: post #48
peteretep wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Propaganda is not about what's true and not true, but about what's amplified and not amplified. I'm sure literally every word of this moving piece about a brave Chinese doctor overcoming adversity to help heal her countrymen is true. I suspect an article in Western-style media might have been a little less quick to let the government off the hook though: > The main problem wasn’t poor preparation, but the sudden infl…

> Propaganda is not about what's true and not true, but about what's amplified and not amplified. could you show a single article that is not propaganda, according to this standard? don't get me wrong, I actually agree with you. however, I would refrain from jumping to assertion too early.

I'm not providing a definition of propaganda, I'm describing a _characteristic_ of effective propaganda. The test for whether something is propaganda is nicely defined in Wikipedia, which is "[whether it] is used primarily to influence an audience and further an agenda".

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Post by [deleted] »

knolax wrote: post #50
peteretep wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Propaganda is not about what's true and not true, but about what's amplified and not amplified. I'm sure literally every word of this moving piece about a brave Chinese doctor overcoming adversity to help heal her countrymen is true. I suspect an article in Western-style media might have been a little less quick to let the government off the hook though: > The main problem wasn’t poor preparation, but the sudden infl…

Disclaimer: I don't agree with the opinions presented on Sixth Tone or any other publication for that matter. We've now progressed to the point where even objectively true information that isn't prefaced with "I HATE THE CCP" is considered propaganda. Imagine if somebody told you that NPR was Democrat backed liberal propaganda not because it provided false information, but because it wasn't as critical of progressive…

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Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Post by chvid »

djsumdog wrote: post #17
redis_mlc wrote: post #2

"Indeed, in our experience, no medicine was particularly useful. Instead, the most effective solution was oxygen. For around 60% of our patients, oxygen saturation was improved by using oxygen masks with a reservoir bag. In more severe cases, we would also use a nasal cannula and an oxygen mask to increase the volume of oxygen."

> though many of our patients experienced severe side effects and couldn’t continue the treatment I took chloroquine years ago as a preventative anti-malaria when I was in India. I didn't get the weird dreams, but I got the harsh bowl movement, heart palpations, etc. I had to stop taking it and so did someone else on the trip. Had I got malaria I knew it would be worse, but I could start taking them again as a treatm…

COVID19 hits patients with health problems and old age harder; those patients are probably also more sensitive to the side effects of chloroquine or other drugs.

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Post by chvid »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #24
bschwindHN wrote: post #10

What's up with the weird texture applied to all the photos?

Wondering if it's not a way to prevent editing detection software to work. Anybody knows something about this?

I think it is done for aesthetics - surely you can do watermarks or edit detection without it being this visible.

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Post by wangii »

peteretep wrote: post #51
wangii wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Propaganda is not about what's true and not true, but about what's amplified and not amplified. could you show a single article that is not propaganda, according to this standard? don't get me wrong, I actually agree with you. however, I would refrain from jumping to assertion too early.

I'm not providing a definition of propaganda, I'm describing a _characteristic_ of effective propaganda. The test for whether something is propaganda is nicely defined in Wikipedia, which is "[whether it] is used primarily to influence an audience and further an agenda".

OK. so is there any article is not to written to `influence an audience and further an agenda`.

Everybody's playing the game But nobody's rules are the same Nobody's on nobody's side

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Post by ngokevin »

killjoywashere wrote: post #39
peteretep wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Propaganda is not about what's true and not true, but about what's amplified and not amplified. I'm sure literally every word of this moving piece about a brave Chinese doctor overcoming adversity to help heal her countrymen is true. I suspect an article in Western-style media might have been a little less quick to let the government off the hook though: > The main problem wasn’t poor preparation, but the sudden infl…

> but about what's amplified and not amplified Makes Chinese ownership in reddit even more concerning, no?

The hatred of China in Western media is amplified to the max. Sometimes I think we're the ones being washed.

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

djsumdog wrote: post #17
redis_mlc wrote: post #2

"Indeed, in our experience, no medicine was particularly useful. Instead, the most effective solution was oxygen. For around 60% of our patients, oxygen saturation was improved by using oxygen masks with a reservoir bag. In more severe cases, we would also use a nasal cannula and an oxygen mask to increase the volume of oxygen."

> though many of our patients experienced severe side effects and couldn’t continue the treatment I took chloroquine years ago as a preventative anti-malaria when I was in India. I didn't get the weird dreams, but I got the harsh bowl movement, heart palpations, etc. I had to stop taking it and so did someone else on the trip. Had I got malaria I knew it would be worse, but I could start taking them again as a treatm…

> I took chloroquine years ago as a preventative anti-malaria when I was in India. I didn't get the weird dreams

The weird dreams and other neurological consequences that some unlucky travelers report when taking antimalaria prophylaxis, typically come from mefloquine (Lariam) and not chloroquine.

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Post by lagadu »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #23
redis_mlc wrote: post #2

"Indeed, in our experience, no medicine was particularly useful. Instead, the most effective solution was oxygen. For around 60% of our patients, oxygen saturation was improved by using oxygen masks with a reservoir bag. In more severe cases, we would also use a nasal cannula and an oxygen mask to increase the volume of oxygen."

So basically, our best chance now is not to cure them, but to help them survive until their immune system fight it off?

It's like that for the vast majority of viruses.

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Post by redis_mlc »

robocat wrote: post #38
redis_mlc wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's well-known that corona viruses wipe out ICU staff, so there's really nothing to hide. It was reported with SARS-1 (2002/2003) in Toronto and S. Korea, and probably China. IIRC, with SARS-2, it was a major concern in Italian and US hospitals.

The most interesting parts of the article to me were: 1. They had enough PPE (quite possible - the first place hit should have plenty available) 2. No staff caught the virus (this seems unlikely - even with perfect protection at work, some should have caught it at home?)

If you read the article carefully and look at the pictures, they had issues. One picture shows a doctor wearing plastic shopping bags over their shoes.

Also, the previous staff did get ill, partly because of changing in the dark in a small room. The current staff fixed the lighting and added mirrors.

Contamination from dressing and undressing scrubs was also a problem in Toronto hospitals with SARS-1.

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Post by fragmede »

redis_mlc wrote: post #29
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So basically, our best chance now is not to cure them, but to help them survive until their immune system fight it off?

It's more subtle than that. Here's some background before I answer your question. One doctor has said that corona patients should be treated like altitude sickness patients, not like viral patients (and this Wuhan article implies that.) All doctors say that ventilator intubation is the equivalent of major surgery, requiring anesthetics for the duration of ventilation and a long recovery period. High air pressure dama…

In a less political time with more open societies, we could confirm earlier research started by the Chinese, giving us lead times for our doctors to confirm their theories, which would help get to a scientifically proven and recommended course of action. (Like the pre-print that discusses COVID-19 attacking hemoglobin which then inhibits the ability for the blood to hold oxygen.)

Unfortunately, nationalism has kicked in, and there are rumors that China is censoring any papers that discuss a possible origin, hindering progress.

So now all we can do is give oxygen and hope for the best.

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