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New York City bans Zoom in schools, citing security concerns

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Re: New York City bans Zoom in schools, citing security concerns

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What "proven risk" is that?

I already answered that to a sibling post to yours 2 hours before your post.

No you didn’t. Because there are no proven risks. Videos of kids discussing math should have a security concerns near zero.

Re: New York City bans Zoom in schools, citing security concerns

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"I bet Microsoft is behind this" I thought, and sure enough - found the obligatory Teams push in there.

It's omitted from this article, but they also banned Google Classroom at the same time, so I'd give this more credence than I usually would...

No, they didn't. https://mobile.twitter.com/DOEChancellor/status/124689704627...

Re: New York City bans Zoom in schools, citing security concerns

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It's omitted from this article, but they also banned Google Classroom at the same time, so I'd give this more credence than I usually would...

No, they didn't. https://mobile.twitter.com/DOEChancellor/status/124689704627...

Their initial announcements also banned Google Classroom, but I guess I'll just chalk this up to a mistake then. https://chalkbeat.org/posts/ny/2020/04/04/nyc-forbids-school...

Re: New York City bans Zoom in schools, citing security concerns

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How on earth is it acceptable to force students (who have pretty much no position to argue) to install what is effectively malware?

What would you instead?

https://highfive.com/

Re: New York City bans Zoom in schools, citing security concerns

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You mean besides the usual privacy issues in the operating system or Office 365? https://thenextweb.com/privacy/2019/07/15/german-schools-ban...

Comparing an operating system to a video conference app...SMH. Anyways the article you list is more about privacy policy issues, the kind of which even ZOom is subject to because the US govt forever it on all their companies. Zoom, in addition to that, was also routing the video through Chinese servers,making you vulnerabl not only to the NSA but also the Chinese services. More specifically, Teams has been in use for…

It's not "just" the OS, it's O365 too. Teams is a part of it.

And yeah, this is MS' attitude to privacy issues. The fact that nobody cares about that or doesn't want to write an article about it every day doesn't mean that it's less worse or somehow good. Zoom has been there for years too, just like those problems. The fact that now everybody DOES want to write an article about it is a result of the fact that it became so popular and it became so popular because it just works. Acting now as if MS is some kind of privacy heaven compared to Zoom is plainly wrong.

> The only solution that would probably work for the German standards (and is something the EU should be investing heavily in anyways) would be Linux.

This is not true. There were guidelines by the Federal Office for Information Security for Win7 that would work just like for certain versions of Office. Windows 10 is the first one where they plainly say: it's so ridden with privacy issues that it's just bad (data protection and privacy accident) and you should avoid it.

Re: New York City bans Zoom in schools, citing security concerns

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As the previous discussion already noted it seems disingenuous. Spacex has real security concerns with national security secrets and trade assets. Schools primary goal should be accessibility when it comes to teaching and Zoom arguably with its better video/audio has the best even with glaring security flaws (that do not necessarily seem decidedly worse than Hangouts). Banning Zoom seems to be getting on the negative…

> As the previous discussion already noted it seems disingenuous.

> Schools primary goal should be accessibility when it comes to teaching and Zoom arguably with its better video/audio has the best even with glaring security flaws (that do not necessarily seem decidedly worse than Hangouts).

Schools also have the primary goal that elementary school children are not exposed to male genitalia, pornography, graphic violence & the like under __any__ circumstances.

It doesn't matter if the first occurrence was a zoombomb, and it's fixed now, or the standard tech reply of "oh, well, it's the had the wrong settings."

Parents have zero tolerance for these things. They'll be coming for someone's head if it happens. Let alone if it happens again.

And no school administrator is going to put their job on the line once trust in a platform is destoryed.

Re: New York City bans Zoom in schools, citing security concerns

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I already answered that to a sibling post to yours 2 hours before your post.

No you didn’t. Because there are no proven risks. Videos of kids discussing math should have a security concerns near zero.

Oh my god, you really didn’t read my post did you? To repeat myself, the concern is that if they have this software already installed and know how to use it, and in fact have to use it and it is recommended to them, that they will then also use it for private chats with their friends. Thus exposing the private video chats of teenage children on a platform with many known trivial vulnerabilities. How anyone can’t see what a bad idea this is boggles the mind.

Re: New York City bans Zoom in schools, citing security concerns

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There are two vulnerabilities in particular that can grant access to videos to hostiles. One is that Zoom video chat IDs are short enough and low enough entropy to be guessable. Also saved videos have a standard naming scheme that makes their file names guessable and therefore accessible publicly. However, any vulnerability, especially intentional ones knowingly trading convenience for security or implemented decepti…

That's a pretty silly concern when photos and videos of the same children are spread across Facebook and other platforms willy nilly.

Those are photos and videos they have intentionally shared. Not supposedly secure private video sessions. If private chats and videos on Facebook of e.g. teenage girls virtual sleepover parties were also trivially accessible by strangers, that would also be an equal concern.

Re: New York City bans Zoom in schools, citing security concerns

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The reason SpaceX banned it is because of legal reasons: they can't export their tech. When children are involved, there are very similar legal concerns: they can't export the data associated with the children, aka: the video feed. I think both bans of Zoom are reasonable.

Why would schools need to export video feeds?

Right now it's been proven zoom lied about some parts of it's tech, particularly the end to end encryption part, so the state probably sees it as a legal risk if anything were to accidentally get out or get hacked.
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