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Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by cam_l » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 5:36 AM UTC

catalogia wrote: post #28

nostromo wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you'll permit a tangent, there are a lot of drunk pedestrian fatalities. I don't think we talk enough about the risk of drunk walking. Over one third of pedestrians killed in the US each year have been drinking too much to drive. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/05/drunk-...

How much of this is due to the immediate physiological effects of alcohol (e.g. impaired reaction time, etc) and how much of it is chronic depressed alcoholics disregarding their own well-being and possibly committing suicide? I've walked home drunk from bars more than a few times and I've never experienced any trouble using crosswalks like normal. I'm pretty certain it's much safer than driving home drunk (not that…

I lived in a small town that at the time had the highest number of fatalities in the state for both drunk walking and rail crossing deaths.

And though it was the kind of town that would make you want to top yourself, i think the real reason was there was a pub on either side of the tracks.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by juliansimioni » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 5:36 AM UTC

whoisjuan wrote: post #44

orliesaurus wrote: post #34

I am really curious as to what happens here, remember left-pad controversy? [1][2] This is like round 2. How will npm/github act now? Especially now that it's Microsoft's npm /s [1] https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/23/npm_left_pad_chaos/ [2] https://blog.npmjs.org/post/141577284765/kik-left-pad-and-np...

Why would the registry do anything at all? That’s why forking it’s a thing. It’s certainly inconvenient but transferring the access of the original project to another party sets a very bad precedent. Maybe when the maintainer dies, but this guy is very much alive. It is his work and he chose to give it freely to others through an OSS license. That doesn’t automatically grant anybody access to the original project. If…

Here's a hypothetical, but extremely plausible scenario.

Lets say tomorrow a major security vulnerability is discovered in CoreJS. Full root access because I'm making this all up.

NPM says core-js has 19k dependents, so it would be very preferable if an X.Y.1 release could be pushed with a security only fix, to be picked up in as many projects as possible.

In that case, I think it would be extremely reasonable for NPM to decide to take action. For example, they could take the package over themselves and publish a patch release.

Or they could temporarily add maintainership to a trusted member of the community.

No solution is without problems in this scenario, but there would be good arguments for either of those serious actions.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by ivan_gammel » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 5:37 AM UTC

jnbiche wrote: post #13

saagarjha wrote: post #4

Some background: CoreJS is a widely used JavaScript library, apparently used for polyfilling by Babel. The author was previously know for asking for a job in npm install logs ( https://github.com/zloirock/core-js/issues/548 ), and recently seems to have gone to jail for vehicular manslaughter, leaving the project without a maintainer.

Evidently, it was his legal problems that provoked the job request and console ads, so I'm sympathetic. And based on the description above, it's highly unlikely that he would have been charged in most countries. The person who died was lying on the road at night, in dark clothes, intoxicated. Sympathy to her family, but that would count as an exculpating circumstance in most Western countries, I'm fairly sure. I sure…

I can read Russian. According to the information from the court:

1) he lost an appeal, meaning that his case was in the court at least two times.

2) the dead victim was not lying on the road, that’s false information. She was trying to remove other victim from the crosswalk.

Knowing the motorcycle culture in Russia I would not be sympathetic to anyone there - it has nothing to do with safety on the road.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by petre » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 5:40 AM UTC

jnbiche wrote: post #30

sdegutis wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After reading the whole translation linked in the GitHub issue, and being a father of 6 kids who love to make me practice being a judge every day as if I have nothing better to do, I’m convinced the judgment is reasonable. Even in our tiny library parking lot, I very often see people driving unreasonably fast between all the parked cars and the library door, often within a foot of the cars. Even if they are driving w…

Yes, but this wasn't a library parking lot. This was a roadway, at night, and he appears to have been going the speed limit. And the victim was lying down on the roadway in dark clothes. And there was an oncoming car with high beams on according to the court findings. So you think that he should spend 1.5 years in a Russian prison for that? A sentence that may very well ruin him psychologically for the rest of his li…

Unfortunately, pepole go to prison in Russia for lesser things. I've met a guy who has spent 8 months shared between a jail, a Russian prison and a penal colony (the worst of the three) because he was dumb enough to say he had a bomb in his souvenir bag when an aiport guard kicked it and asked what the (obvious) item was. He wrote a book about the aforementioned experience. So be extra careful what you say or do if you happen to travel to Russia.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/41023722-the-million-dol...

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by blondin » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 5:41 AM UTC

rat9988 wrote: post #49

blondin wrote: post #37

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> So you think that he should spend 1.5 years... hold on... no one ever said anything like that. not a single comment here. let's keep calm. the whole situation still seems unreal to myself...

Except the comment that the commented you quoted is answering to?

see the three dots i had in there? that's me being lazy and not quoting the whole hyperbole.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by saagarjha » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 5:42 AM UTC

sdegutis wrote: post #42

jnbiche wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but this wasn't a library parking lot. This was a roadway, at night, and he appears to have been going the speed limit. And the victim was lying down on the roadway in dark clothes. And there was an oncoming car with high beams on according to the court findings. So you think that he should spend 1.5 years in a Russian prison for that? A sentence that may very well ruin him psychologically for the rest of his li…

I said the judgment is reasonable but reserve my judgment on the sentence. I’m saying people should drive safer. That’s all. A good portion of my reasoning comes from my daily dealings with my kids. This case bears many strong resemblances to arguments they come to me with. Edit to clarify: when my kids come to me with an argument because one was careless and hurt another, the defense is usually that they were acting…

Do your children drive? I’m not sure what you mean by saying that these arguments bear a resemblance.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by dangus » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 5:43 AM UTC

nostromo wrote: post #17

jakear wrote: post #2

What a wild ride this has been. Looking at the police report, I do wonder what the punishment would be in other countries. It seems the victims were laying drunk on the ground in dark clothing at top a hill (edit: hill not mentioned in police report, but seems logical given the headlight statement), causing the headlight beams to not illuminate them. On top of that, incoming traffic blinded the driver. This is of cou…

If you'll permit a tangent, there are a lot of drunk pedestrian fatalities. I don't think we talk enough about the risk of drunk walking. Over one third of pedestrians killed in the US each year have been drinking too much to drive. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/05/drunk-...

I actually think this article makes the statistics seem worse by than they are by presenting them in a way that is easy to misunderstand.

Okay so a third of all pedestrian fatalities have been over the driving limit of alcohol, as the article points out. That sounds horrible. It sounds like you should never drink and walk, ever.

Thing is, there were only 1,547 pedestrian walking deaths in the whole 311 million person country in 2011. That same year there were 32,479 automotive fatalities. Throw in liver disease victims[1] and you’re looking at maybe a 1:60 ratio of pedestrian walking to every other kind of alcohol death.

More people actually die of “natural heat and cold” than alcohol related pedestrian accidents.

Alcohol is generally bad as we all know, and leads to all kinds of bad health outcomes, but I’d argue that pedestrian accidents are the least concern if we are to prioritize.

[1] There’s a bit of a silent fatty liver disease crisis going on, but that’s just obesity doing its thing. I’d love to see more urgent action on obesity.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by jnbiche » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 5:47 AM UTC

caf wrote: post #40

jnbiche wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but this wasn't a library parking lot. This was a roadway, at night, and he appears to have been going the speed limit. And the victim was lying down on the roadway in dark clothes. And there was an oncoming car with high beams on according to the court findings. So you think that he should spend 1.5 years in a Russian prison for that? A sentence that may very well ruin him psychologically for the rest of his li…

It is worth remembering that the speed limit is not an "it is always safe to drive this speed here" advisory. In particular if your vision is obstructed (perhaps by very heavy rain, fog, or an oncoming car with high beams) then you may need to slow down considerably.

Agreed, I agree that it can be unsafe. However, if you're going the speed limit, it reduces the chances significantly that you were doing something grossly negligent or unsafe that works warrant an unusually harsh sentence for what was an accident. Normally, such sentences are only given in cases of major negligence, like intoxication, or going at a very high rate of speed.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by ssijak » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 5:49 AM UTC

What if the person lying on the road survived and the person driving the motorbike died. Would the person lying on the road be charged for manslaughter? And if yes, how is this situation different to shift the blame from one person to another.

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Post by bryanrasmussen » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 5:51 AM UTC

caf wrote: post #40

jnbiche wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but this wasn't a library parking lot. This was a roadway, at night, and he appears to have been going the speed limit. And the victim was lying down on the roadway in dark clothes. And there was an oncoming car with high beams on according to the court findings. So you think that he should spend 1.5 years in a Russian prison for that? A sentence that may very well ruin him psychologically for the rest of his li…

It is worth remembering that the speed limit is not an "it is always safe to drive this speed here" advisory. In particular if your vision is obstructed (perhaps by very heavy rain, fog, or an oncoming car with high beams) then you may need to slow down considerably.

sure, but high beams is sort of really temporary and often sort of sudden. I mean if someone is going the speed limit what does slowing down considerably look like in that instance?