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Re: Pro drivers are competing with gamers after F1 and Nascar canceled races

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Post by AmericanChopper »

JshWright wrote: post #17
Jaxkr wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Professional drivers destroy in simulations like racing.com

Professional drivers that also spend a lot of time sim racing, that is... The same is true in this series. Drivers like Max Verstappen and Lando Norris (among the best drivers in the world) so very well, but they also spend a lot of their free time playing these games. Other world class drivers (Hamilton, Vettel, etc), likely wouldn't do anywhere near as well. Obviously there is some overlap in the skills required, b…

Hamilton’s done a few exhibition sim races, and generally does very well in them. The skills translate much better from track to sim than they do the other way around. If you watch the break and throttle pressure on these streams, it’s obvious that the professional racers are much better. They do things like trail breaking, and managing engine power a lot more competently and consistently than the sim enthusiasts. I’d imagine the main obstacle would be getting used to the different feedback sources. It’s also worth noting that most F1 drivers (I don’t really know about other motorsports) do at least some sim training. Kimi is the only current driver I know of who’s said he doesn’t use the sim.

Re: Pro drivers are competing with gamers after F1 and Nascar canceled races

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Post by kbirkeland »

notacoward wrote: post #2

My daughter immediately asked: who's winning? Darn good question, and I didn't find an answer in the article (though admittedly I skimmed a bit).

In this case, it looks like a NASCAR spotter was the winner: https://kickinthetires.net/esports/spotter-josh-williams-ups...

Re: Pro drivers are competing with gamers after F1 and Nascar canceled races

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Post by protomyth »

Well, NASCAR driver have been using computer games to practice for tracks for a while. https://expmag.com/2020/03/these-hyper-realistic-video-games... There is a video of Dale Jr and Martin Truex Jr talking about using a networked video game to test a strategy at one track.

Re: Pro drivers are competing with gamers after F1 and Nascar canceled races

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Post by cosmodisk »

antientropic wrote: post #33
W-Stool wrote: post #12

As someone who has raced formula race cars and who has been an enthusiastic participant in racing simulations since way back in the old days of Grand Prix Legends let me assure you - a simulated race car has almost nothing in common with the real experience other than your hands are turning a wheel and your feet push pedals. The sensations in a real race car are simply overwhelming - the noise, g forces, heat, and th…

On the contrary: there is probably no sport where the sim is so close to the real thing. Being good at FIFA 19 in no way will make you good at real football. But if you put a decent sim racer in a real race car, they are often able to put together a decent lap pretty quickly. See for instance some of Jimmy Broadbent's recent adventures in real-life racing. Conversely, real-life drivers tend to be good at simracing (e…

I think there's only one thing that comes closer to reality: MS Flight Simulator...

Re: Pro drivers are competing with gamers after F1 and Nascar canceled races

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Post by jacobush »

DonHopkins wrote: post #25
W-Stool wrote: post #12

As someone who has raced formula race cars and who has been an enthusiastic participant in racing simulations since way back in the old days of Grand Prix Legends let me assure you - a simulated race car has almost nothing in common with the real experience other than your hands are turning a wheel and your feet push pedals. The sensations in a real race car are simply overwhelming - the noise, g forces, heat, and th…

As someone who has run around spastically and sweated a lot and forgotten to breath and lost my balance then fallen over flat on my face because I got a boner, I found Severe Running extremely realistic and pretty much exactly like the real thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrUWFo2D1Xs

Wow, that was pretty much Fortnite. Silly swag and dances and chats. Very prescient game, that Severy Running, a decade in advance.

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Post by firekvz »

An online tournament of FIFA 20 (soccer game by EA Sports) just finished between the 20 teams from "la liga", spanish league.. Each team sent their best player and it was streamed at twitch.tv

At some point I think it had over 50k viewers

Heres the link of the channel of the one behind the idea:

https://www.twitch.tv/ibai

I think its worth to mention that all the profits of the stream and donations are going to charity

It was casted by actual tv commentators and it had media coverage from major sport newspapers: https://www.marca.com/esports/fifa/2020/03/21/5e763cd522601d... https://esports.as.com/fifa/Torneo-FIFA-20-Ibai-LaLiga-Chall...

Re: Pro drivers are competing with gamers after F1 and Nascar canceled races

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Post by Swizec »

nordsieck wrote: post #27
W-Stool wrote: post #12

As someone who has raced formula race cars and who has been an enthusiastic participant in racing simulations since way back in the old days of Grand Prix Legends let me assure you - a simulated race car has almost nothing in common with the real experience other than your hands are turning a wheel and your feet push pedals. The sensations in a real race car are simply overwhelming - the noise, g forces, heat, and th…

> As someone who has raced formula race cars and who has been an enthusiastic participant in racing simulations since way back in the old days of Grand Prix Legends let me assure you - a simulated race car has almost nothing in common with the real experience other than your hands are turning a wheel and your feet push pedals. The sensations in a real race car are simply overwhelming - the noise, g forces, heat, and…

The issue isn’t so much that skills aren’t transferable — they are. F1 drivers even practice with sims.

The question is whether you can keep that level of focus and consistency for 2 hours of a real race under all that physical strain. And most people just can’t. That’s what’s impressive about real racers, doing all this stuff at 6 lateral G.

They really are like fighter pilots.

Re: Pro drivers are competing with gamers after F1 and Nascar canceled races

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Post by LoSboccacc »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #24
W-Stool wrote: post #12

As someone who has raced formula race cars and who has been an enthusiastic participant in racing simulations since way back in the old days of Grand Prix Legends let me assure you - a simulated race car has almost nothing in common with the real experience other than your hands are turning a wheel and your feet push pedals. The sensations in a real race car are simply overwhelming - the noise, g forces, heat, and th…

To me, the interesting question is not whether the experience is the same for the driver, because obviously it cannot be. What's interesting is whether the skills transfer. I would assume they do to some degree, but there are probably bits you can't learn except by doing. The reason why the question is interesting is because I love the notion that you can train in a less expensive context and then perform in a higher…

I've driven on tracks on touring days, so not exactly a race driver, but still. the lack of proper feedback from g forces make harder on sims to understand what the car is doing. a good wheel can help since you get back part of the wheel loading/unloading and at least you know how to navigate the last 20 meters of corner entry properly, giving enough warning of when the front is letting to, but for what the rear is going to do you're just left guessing.

that feeling of the center of rotation shifting is extremely helpful when loading the car, and sure you can just go by track memory on sims, but it's not the same thing.

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Post by dfee »

cosmodisk wrote: post #54
antientropic wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the contrary: there is probably no sport where the sim is so close to the real thing. Being good at FIFA 19 in no way will make you good at real football. But if you put a decent sim racer in a real race car, they are often able to put together a decent lap pretty quickly. See for instance some of Jimmy Broadbent's recent adventures in real-life racing. Conversely, real-life drivers tend to be good at simracing (e…

I think there's only one thing that comes closer to reality: MS Flight Simulator...

It is, as they say, As Real As It Gets.

Re: Pro drivers are competing with gamers after F1 and Nascar canceled races

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Post by thsealienbstrds »

notacoward wrote: post #2

My daughter immediately asked: who's winning? Darn good question, and I didn't find an answer in the article (though admittedly I skimmed a bit).

GT Sport has a DLC-mode where you can do time trials vs. Lewis Hamilton's lap times. On a track where he clocked 1 minute 37 seconds, I was pretty shocked to find that the top 10 GT Sport players _all_ clocked lap times around 2 seconds faster than that.
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