Is the game a good enough simulator? Should real drivers be the best F1 streamers with a good wheel setup? This is really pushing the notion of work from home.
In the Netflix series, Drive to Survive, you could see one of the younger drivers (I don't recall who it was) play the Codemasters game at home. It didn't look like exposition or product placement, but rather like something that they regularly did to train.
Formula 1 launches Virtual Grand Prix Series to replace postponed races
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#52Is the game a good enough simulator? Should real drivers be the best F1 streamers with a good wheel setup? This is really pushing the notion of work from home.
Compared to other racing simulators the official F1 games are, to put it kindly, not the highest fidelity. Their design is geared towards mass market accessibility, not accuracy. For more serious sim racing, iRacing is usually the game of choice. Some of the younger F1 drivers play iRacing in their (now quite copious) spare time and they generally do quite well.
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You still need thousands and thousands of dollars for a decent Sim racing setup, a stable internet connection, and a room to do it from. Sure, it's not formula racing, but there are still massive barriers to entry for sim racing.
True but it’s at least an order of magnitude less money to do the e-sport than the real one
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#54I watched the virtual races and without damage or real marshalling they just seemed too forgiving of mistakes, and I got bored. Also shorter races = less strategy choices. Also, Codemasters is not the best simulation, would be a lot cooler if the teams modeled this years cars in a better engine.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would think the physical aspects aren’t the largest barrier to entry. As one could bluntly state it: because it takes a lot of money and connections to even be considered as a driver, it is statistically highly unlikely that, talent-wise, the current F1 drivers are in the top 1% or even top 25% of the world. If Senna were born in tropical Africa, or even if he hadn’t had wealthy parents, he probably wouldn’t ever h…
Sorry, I don't buy it. You could make the same argument about almost any sport. But the reality is that training is a huge part of skill, not just in-born talent. You can't just grab some random person from tropical Africa and have him play some sport alongside trained and experienced veterans and expect him to win, no matter how great his physical attributes are. The money and connections are useful for getting driv…
Yes, but for many of them, to a much lesser degree. I specifically mentioned soccer because it is extremely cheap to start playing it. All you need is a somewhat level playing area, anything that can mark the locations of the imaginary goal posts (coats, garbage cans, or just heaps of mud), and something resembling a ball (say a few crumpled newspapers tied together with tape or thread will work, if needed)
You don’t need grass, inflatable balls, side line markers, real goal posts, team uniforms, or even shoes.
Long distance running is another example at the other end of the range, as is cricket (for which you only need a few sticks, one bat, a hard ball, and a fairly hard surface), and, where sandy beaches are available, beach volleyball (for which the only expensive item is the ball. A rope can substitute for the net, if needed)
That’s why you see don’t see kids in favelas race karts, but see them play soccer or cricket (and, in Brazil, play beach volleyball)
”You can't just grab some random person from tropical Africa and have him play some sport alongside trained and experienced veterans and expect him to win”
I didn’t claim that. What I said is that, likely, there are kids in Africa who, if they were given the same opportunities as Senna, would have turned out to be better F1 drivers than him.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
No. In the less formal event last Sunday, the e-sports drivers dominated the race and the highest finishing "real" F1 driver was in 8th, and incredibly proud of that achievement. Edit: this is for a variety of reasons. The greatest of which is that when you're actually going 200 MPH and risking hundreds of thousands of dollars of damage, and moreso your own life and limb and those of your competitors, your risk avers…
And top e-sports drivers will likely have far more hours behind the virtual wheel than the real drivers have in reality and virtual combined. I used to do online ww2 combat flight sim as a hobby and one day I realized that all those virtual aces had not only the skill advantage of virtual death trial and error, most had also been flying virtual ww2 planes for longer than than the entire duration of the original war (…
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would think the physical aspects aren’t the largest barrier to entry. As one could bluntly state it: because it takes a lot of money and connections to even be considered as a driver, it is statistically highly unlikely that, talent-wise, the current F1 drivers are in the top 1% or even top 25% of the world. If Senna were born in tropical Africa, or even if he hadn’t had wealthy parents, he probably wouldn’t ever h…
Sorry, I don't buy it. You could make the same argument about almost any sport. But the reality is that training is a huge part of skill, not just in-born talent. You can't just grab some random person from tropical Africa and have him play some sport alongside trained and experienced veterans and expect him to win, no matter how great his physical attributes are. The money and connections are useful for getting driv…
they didn't say the drivers didn't need skill and only need money. they only said money was an additional and the larger barrier to entry. of course they need skill, but you'll never know if you have skill or not if you don't have money. nearly any type of racing is incredibly expensive.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think your point about not feeling the car is a big part of what makes driving a simulator so difficult. Every part of a real car is giving the driver direct feedback into various parts of their body. How hard they are on the brake and throttle. Small changes in lateral g-force let them know how close to the edge of traction they are. The screen isn't going to be the same as the real world. The only feedback you ge…
Its the shear physical impact on the driver - I recall seeing drivers having difficulty at the end of the race getting out of the car.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry, I don't buy it. You could make the same argument about almost any sport. But the reality is that training is a huge part of skill, not just in-born talent. You can't just grab some random person from tropical Africa and have him play some sport alongside trained and experienced veterans and expect him to win, no matter how great his physical attributes are. The money and connections are useful for getting driv…
”You could make the same argument about almost any sport” Yes, but for many of them, to a much lesser degree. I specifically mentioned soccer because it is extremely cheap to start playing it. All you need is a somewhat level playing area, anything that can mark the locations of the imaginary goal posts (coats, garbage cans, or just heaps of mud), and something resembling a ball (say a few crumpled newspapers tied to…
Re: Formula 1 launches Virtual Grand Prix Series to replace postponed races
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
No. In the less formal event last Sunday, the e-sports drivers dominated the race and the highest finishing "real" F1 driver was in 8th, and incredibly proud of that achievement. Edit: this is for a variety of reasons. The greatest of which is that when you're actually going 200 MPH and risking hundreds of thousands of dollars of damage, and moreso your own life and limb and those of your competitors, your risk avers…
I would think the physical aspects aren’t the largest barrier to entry. As one could bluntly state it: because it takes a lot of money and connections to even be considered as a driver, it is statistically highly unlikely that, talent-wise, the current F1 drivers are in the top 1% or even top 25% of the world. If Senna were born in tropical Africa, or even if he hadn’t had wealthy parents, he probably wouldn’t ever h…