Throwing a "This app wants to send you notifications" dialog as soon as you launch an app for the first time, should be banned.
Conversely, I find it really useful to block any notification from the get go.
Notifications are blocked by default.
Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications
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#52I have turned off all Instagram notifications (in their settings) and still I get their junk notifications of who to follow and what to think. Hate it. If these ads are anything like this. Consider notifications off completely.
Did you know that you can use instagram in your browser? The only thing that‘s missing without the app is video upload.
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#54It's fine.
Personally, any app that insists on spamming me with adds is not worth my time, and i replace it with "something" else that fits the bill.
The same goes for apps that have subscription models, apps that require access to gps/microphone/etc without an explicit need for it.
I've replaced about 20 such apps in the past couple of years.
I understand that not everybody is willing to make that move, but everybody has the option to do so.
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They wouldn't, because they earn millions off of apps like Uber and co. It's why Youtube is more tolerant of bad behaviour of high-profile (read: high-viewer, high-income) channels, and Twitter hasn't banned Trump and his bots yet - they make too much money off of it, both directly and indirectly ('engagement', network effects, etc).
How does Apple make money off of Uber and co?
Directly from Uber? They don't make much money - Uber pretty much pays just for the Apple computers as well as Apple Developer Program.
However, this doesn't mean there is no gain for Apple in it as Apple is investing in Uber. That, and not having Uber could make users move to Android devices.
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#56How about Apple bring down the hammer on apps that are abusing notifications right now (or you just uninstall them), instead of allowing ways to shove more ads into peoples eyeballs. There is no scenario where this is a benefit to the consumer.
They wouldn't, because they earn millions off of apps like Uber and co. It's why Youtube is more tolerant of bad behaviour of high-profile (read: high-viewer, high-income) channels, and Twitter hasn't banned Trump and his bots yet - they make too much money off of it, both directly and indirectly ('engagement', network effects, etc).
Apple forced Uber to stop their location-tracking shenanigans when they were found out.
I agree that such large apps are treated somewhat differently than smaller ones—anyone smaller than Uber would have been banned outright. That’s due to demand from Apple’s customers, though, and not Uber directly paying Apple.
But Uber still had to rush and submit a new version of its app. They didn’t seem to believe Apple was making hollow threats, nor do Facebook and Google and all the other big players adhering to Apple’s policies.
Even if Apple wanted to allow larger apps breaking the rules, they couldn’t. It would be very obvious if some apps were allowed to send ads and others weren’t, and it would lead to all kinds of problems in the court of public opinion and possibly a real one.
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#57It's fine. Personally, any app that insists on spamming me with adds is not worth my time, and i replace it with "something" else that fits the bill. The same goes for apps that have subscription models, apps that require access to gps/microphone/etc without an explicit need for it. I've replaced about 20 such apps in the past couple of years. I understand that not everybody is willing to make that move, but everybod…
Sounds nice in theory, except: network effects.
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> It's like email updates from online retailers. I unsubscribe from the majority of them, but I allow a couple of retailers I like to send me promotions. Notifications are for when you need to know about something immediately and it's okay to interrupt you for it. How many of these retailers do you want that from? What's the benefit for the end-user over an email?
I'm not an expert in ad affairs. With this information on the table, consider the following: I subscribe to a "price alert" for a product in my sellers app. The price gets triggered, and because there's a lot of demand for this item, I have to be fast. This, for me, would justify the "push notification". But, would this also be considered an "ad"? From the definition of the word "advertisement"[1], which says it's "a…
If there is no way to harass people with notifications for "price alerts", there will also be no incentive to create artificial pricing systems with sudden "promotions", meant to hijack users' attention and cognitive sovereignty.
Don't fall for the tricks. Think about the systems your are engaging with all the way to the end, and consider if you are being manipulated. This is an environment where it pays to be paranoid, because big companies are devoting a huge amount of resources to trick you.
I would say, treat this stuff as one should treat nutrition. Simple is better for your health. If you don't understand how something is made, or what its purpose is, you should probably avoid it.
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#59As a consumer, i uninstall such apps. One example is the german „KaufDa“ app which was quite useful to me. I complained about the unwanted push messages and their support pretended to be dumb. I ended up uninstalling it. Only if consumers refuse to accept these annoyances it will stop.
Or, more realistically, when it's outlawed. Though that's actually just customers collectively refusing to accept it.
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#60How about Apple bring down the hammer on apps that are abusing notifications right now (or you just uninstall them), instead of allowing ways to shove more ads into peoples eyeballs. There is no scenario where this is a benefit to the consumer.
Sure there is. Walk into a grocery store, get a push notification for some sale items.
There are also plenty of annoying things developers can do with it. I'll turn those off, or more likely uninstall the app.