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How I Did It: From Psych Degree to VP of Data Science at Top Startup

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Re: How I Did It: From Psych Degree to VP of Data Science at Top Startup

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Awesome post! Thank you for taking the time to document down your learnings along your journey of pursuing data science. What I really like about your journey is how one thing manages to lead to another in the most amazing way. Some people attribute it to luck, but I guess in your case you really have made your own luck by taking actions to move towards your goal! Congratulations on your accomplishments thus far! I j…

I have interviewed many applicants to the ML engineer position. What you need to do is to have decent knowledge about ML theory and good dev skills. You don't need to be able to answer the most obtuse theoretical questions, but it is absolutely necessary to have a couple of years of previous experience with neural nets, to have trained many models with your own hands, seen the results, made decisions, rinse and repeat.

There is a high chance of getting hired if you have practical skills. Most candidates are just trying their luck, coming to the interview with abysmal knowledge and experience, even when they have PhD's.

Re: How I Did It: From Psych Degree to VP of Data Science at Top Startup

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Getting to VP level at a "top startup" has little to do with data science, and everything to do with your ability to play the networking game. Depending on the size of the company, VP level jobs are more about management skills than technical proficiency.

Why does this community (HN) have such a proclivity for these types of bitter responses? This comment makes wild assumptions, doesn't assume best intentions, and really just makes `brenden2` sound like a nasty person. Yet here it is, top comment on the front page. Nice work OP! You are flexing a very unique set of muscles (technical + leadership + communication + ambition) that very few people have. You will go far i…

It is needed to offset the disgustingly fawning, sugary, overly-optimistic, back-slapping responses like yours.

Overall it results in a fairly balanced forum.

Re: How I Did It: From Psych Degree to VP of Data Science at Top Startup

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does this community (HN) have such a proclivity for these types of bitter responses? This comment makes wild assumptions, doesn't assume best intentions, and really just makes `brenden2` sound like a nasty person. Yet here it is, top comment on the front page. Nice work OP! You are flexing a very unique set of muscles (technical + leadership + communication + ambition) that very few people have. You will go far i…

Tech startup as a phenomenon of the last 25-ish years is maturing and has become sufficiently mainstream that it has attracted a very wide spectrum of people, so much so that the majority of them are - as you would expect - quite average. It turns out that being average is not enough to beat the odds, and those are quite stacked against early-stage startups. So you end up with fairly low chances of success and the re…

That's a nice theory but tech people have been bitter since the invention of Usenet.

Re: How I Did It: From Psych Degree to VP of Data Science at Top Startup

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Key lessons that I'm picking up:

> In year two I was internally transferred to the workforce analytics team, working to forecast job demand and build a job recommendation engine to move people within the organization.

I'm hearing this a lot from friends.

> On the side, I continued self-learning. I picked up Python (love it) and took classes in machine learning. Spark, a shiny (pun intended) big data framework was emerging and provided free courses on EdX—I devoured these too.

I'm currently noticing this myself. I'm devouring content on Hack The Box. I'm currently making 16 hour days and am at 200+ hours within 2 weeks, and devoured half of their active boxes.

You don't need a background once you have 16 hour per day (every day) determination. There are people who need more than sheer determination, but enough don't. They simply need Elon Musk level determination.

> They were struggling with accurate product categorization and had heard about my sharing on the Kaggle competition.

Use the right status symbols. It used to be university, now it is being at the top of a competition.

> My family and closest friends thought it was risky. However, deep down, I knew I would regret not accepting the offer.

A potential pitfall that he avoided. I've been heavily hit by this and kind of stalled my life for a year. So yea, he could've listened to them. I know I shouldn't have, but I did. He didn't and pushed forward.

> The failure and embarrassment was very public. But so was the recovery and success.

One that I know from my personal circles: go to a public embarrassment that isn't yours and no one dares to touch and make it into a success. It's not easy to do but if you can do it, then do it, in the right company this will transform your life. Or at least, it transformed the lives that I know of whom did it. They didn't do it consciously though, it's upon reflection that they realize.

> But once in the field, there were PhDs with more experience around me—why did I get promoted above them?

When I read this I'm simply thinking that he didn't get promoted above them. Being a VP is something different, I imagine, than being a data scientist, so different skills are at play. Yes, you need technical competence but you also need VP skills. Let's see what he says.

> The measurable value I created was 3x that of an average data scientist.

Well, he could also communicate that. Could the avg data scientist do that? I don't know, I bet half of them couldn't or wouldn't care.

> I was promoted to be a role model and to mentor the team to deliver and communicate better.

Like I said, VP skills.

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To close:

I think he's right in his assessment, simply by looking at my successful friends, family and acquaintances and by constantly asking what they do.

I'd summarize his success as:

A) Get in (I'm struggling super hard at this part, "you can problem solve but have too little experience" is what I get, it's depressive, it's a key stage)

B) Create trust with everyone

C) Be the best pick for the new position out of your team

From those key stages one can distill that technical skill is initially important and communication later.

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If anyone wants to hire me as a mix between a hacker and programmer anywhere in the world let me know! I have 1 year of work experience in software engineering (excluding the bootcamp I taught for a year). My Hack The Box profile is looking to be more impressive every day.

Re: How I Did It: From Psych Degree to VP of Data Science at Top Startup

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When I was doing a cyber training exercise in the military, we had an Air Force general tell us that the best technical officers they had started out with non-technical degrees. They said that officers with undergrad degrees in things like IT, Software Engineering, and Computer Science, weren't very good at thinking outside of the box because everything they did was fairly low level and had a provably correct solutio…

It depends on the mindset of the developer or engineer. Some very smart people just want to code the thing according to the spec and not deviate. They don’t really care about the result because it’s not their problem the requirements are changing. They coded the thing based on spec that was given. I’ll push back a lot and I’ve seen other much more senior technical people that will do the same. A lot of people just wa…

Getting stuck on trying to achieve a certain result and changing the rules to get there is usually a sign of a bad program that is not flexible and brittle.

Sounds like there is more of a problem with how the army is asking verse what they expect. If they were more direct in what they wanted vs measuring some scenerio they created.

Re: How I Did It: From Psych Degree to VP of Data Science at Top Startup

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VP at a top startup mean very different things to different people. To somebody who values sr titles it’s Substantial. To somebody who views titles as a measure of how much and what you contribute will only view this as substantial in the context of where you operate - VP of the lemonade stand vs VP at a large company (by revenue,employees etc). Most of the experienced crowd on this site will generally take the latte…

Article suggests he has 3 direct reports

More of a PM

Re: How I Did It: From Psych Degree to VP of Data Science at Top Startup

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does this community (HN) have such a proclivity for these types of bitter responses? This comment makes wild assumptions, doesn't assume best intentions, and really just makes `brenden2` sound like a nasty person. Yet here it is, top comment on the front page. Nice work OP! You are flexing a very unique set of muscles (technical + leadership + communication + ambition) that very few people have. You will go far i…

Tech startup as a phenomenon of the last 25-ish years is maturing and has become sufficiently mainstream that it has attracted a very wide spectrum of people, so much so that the majority of them are - as you would expect - quite average. It turns out that being average is not enough to beat the odds, and those are quite stacked against early-stage startups. So you end up with fairly low chances of success and the re…

> this attracts a fundamentally different group of people - more average, more bitter.

I'd put it another way : it makes room for many people to participate in the social life by mean of work in the civil aviation.

So, from being a domain ruled by elite (of gifted or lucky or rich persons), it ends up a to be a domain of emancipation for big parts of society...

Re: How I Did It: From Psych Degree to VP of Data Science at Top Startup

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does this community (HN) have such a proclivity for these types of bitter responses? This comment makes wild assumptions, doesn't assume best intentions, and really just makes `brenden2` sound like a nasty person. Yet here it is, top comment on the front page. Nice work OP! You are flexing a very unique set of muscles (technical + leadership + communication + ambition) that very few people have. You will go far i…

It is needed to offset the disgustingly fawning, sugary, overly-optimistic, back-slapping responses like yours. Overall it results in a fairly balanced forum.

That breaks the site guidelines. Please follow them when posting here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: How I Did It: From Psych Degree to VP of Data Science at Top Startup

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When I was doing a cyber training exercise in the military, we had an Air Force general tell us that the best technical officers they had started out with non-technical degrees. They said that officers with undergrad degrees in things like IT, Software Engineering, and Computer Science, weren't very good at thinking outside of the box because everything they did was fairly low level and had a provably correct solutio…

> officers with degrees like psychology and political science were better at taking in large amounts of information I met plenty of officers with useless degrees that were plenty useless. The people that had non-technical degrees that did well in a technical field would have done just as well without any degree whatsoever. They key takeaway here is that for the vast majority of folks, political science, sociology, or…

Please don't do the degree-wars thing on HN. It's a tedious flamewar topic that just goes around in circles (of hell).

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: How I Did It: From Psych Degree to VP of Data Science at Top Startup

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Key lessons that I'm picking up: > In year two I was internally transferred to the workforce analytics team, working to forecast job demand and build a job recommendation engine to move people within the organization. I'm hearing this a lot from friends. > On the side, I continued self-learning. I picked up Python (love it) and took classes in machine learning. Spark, a shiny (pun intended) big data framework was eme…

Wow, thank you for dissecting the post and and sharing your personal experience and lessons as well. Those are great learning points!
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