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HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

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Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

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I've been thinking about getting a microserver. I already have a Synology NAS but I'd like something a bit more powerful to host Nextclound and a couple apps. The Gen8 Microservers seemed neat, but they are getting old and rarer on eBay. Gen10 seems like a step back performance and feature wise. With ILO not available (or a $100 upgrade), what is the benefit for a home / small business / enthusiast user of a Microser…

For a powerful microserver, you might want to consider SuperMicro's E300-9D-8CN8TP. It's tiny, comes with an 8-core Xeon D, has an M.2 slot, 4 x 10GbE and is even ESXi certified.

It's also a lot more expensive

Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

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> I don't need performance, I need quiet operation and ECC support. I'm curious: are you going to put this under your desk?

Actually I'm going to put it into my closet along with the rest of "home equipment" (UPS, GPON modem, switch, landline phone). Noise will disturb me at night, as I'm sleeping not far enough from there. I managed to configure Gen 8 to be quiet enough with some weird tricks (it was not by default). Basically I need for fan noise to be on par with HDD noise.

I hated the noise that my N40L microserver made (even though it was super quiet already). Now I have a NUC, and plugged a USB powered fan [1] into it to blow air over the chassis (the small fans in the NUC are noisy as hell when it's under even moderate load). Now it's so quiet I can't hear it. For storage I got a USB3 based 5-drive chassis and hooked up my 4 drives running mirrored ZFS. USB3's 5Gbps is more than plenty for my usage.

[1] https://www.amazon.com/EasyAcc-Rechargeable-Personal-Regulat...

I actually got the earlier version that didn't have a battery. Just adjust the speed knob to the sweet spot of quiet + cooling factor.

Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

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post #48

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> All you need is a wireframe made in wood or plastic Wood burns, plastic melts. When you have a bunch of racks full of a bunch of servers undrler heavy load, managing the environmental temperature of the datacenter is very important.

When you get melting/burning temperatures you are already screwed, and burning metal is far more dangerous, try turning some metal wool on fire.

Speaking from experience, it is much, much, much more feasible to reach the burning point of wood or the melting point of plastic in a datacenter than the melting point of the metals used in server construction.

One of the jobs of the case is to contain a fire if it starts. A plastic case wouldn't do this, and a wood case would actively be hazardous.

Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

#56

Can you stick any hard drives you want in there, or do they have to be HP drives?

At least up until Gen8 you could use any drive; the bays came in standard dimensions and took my Western Digital drives without a problem. I don't see why that should have changed in the meantime.

Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

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TDP is such a meaningless stat to criticize. People still caring about TDP is a huge pet peeve of mine. The TDP is a nearly entirely fictional number your modern CPU will never operate at. Especially in a home server, the CPU will be maxed out 0.001% of its life, if that. The only stat that matters is idle power, which it will be at for the majority of its life.

I'm happy to show you quite a few servers which run almost at their TDP for 7/24/365. Yes, it's not very applicable to home scenarios but spike loads create a lot of noise at home when a CPU has high TDP.

Surely it's clear we're talking about home and small business servers?

Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

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Since it is now an intel, does it come with an integrated backdoor like the other "server-grade" hardware?

Why the downvotes? It's a legitimate question: ME/AMT can be neutralized or disabled. Bios can be replaced with coreboot. Some buyers and some vendors actually care about security.

It's x86, so if you count ME/PSP as a back door, then the answer is almost universally going to be yes. It would be like commenting on the new release of Ubuntu and asking if it was still using a Bourne-like shell by default.

Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

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post #39

I don't like: * Pentium G5420 has 54W TDP. That's a lot. It'll be noisy under load. I'd prefer something like Celeron G4932E with 27W. I don't need performance, I need quiet operation and ECC support. * iLO enablement kit is $100 and need physical delivery. No more $5 ebay key. That's a shame for home consumer. Also I was not able to find a price. Hoping for the best. Buying Gen8 for $300 with cheap iLO key was a gre…

TDP is such a meaningless stat to criticize. People still caring about TDP is a huge pet peeve of mine. The TDP is a nearly entirely fictional number your modern CPU will never operate at. Especially in a home server, the CPU will be maxed out 0.001% of its life, if that. The only stat that matters is idle power, which it will be at for the majority of its life.

Great. Who reports idle power on a datasheet?

Re: HPE ProLiant MicroServer Gen10 Plus vs. Gen10 Hardware Overview

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually I'm going to put it into my closet along with the rest of "home equipment" (UPS, GPON modem, switch, landline phone). Noise will disturb me at night, as I'm sleeping not far enough from there. I managed to configure Gen 8 to be quiet enough with some weird tricks (it was not by default). Basically I need for fan noise to be on par with HDD noise.

I hated the noise that my N40L microserver made (even though it was super quiet already). Now I have a NUC, and plugged a USB powered fan [1] into it to blow air over the chassis (the small fans in the NUC are noisy as hell when it's under even moderate load). Now it's so quiet I can't hear it. For storage I got a USB3 based 5-drive chassis and hooked up my 4 drives running mirrored ZFS. USB3's 5Gbps is more than ple…

Wish there was a non-insane costing 12 bay Thunderbolt array but because the market mostly consists of video professionals the math in cost and noise works out better to build a more traditional server anyway. 8+ drives won't be quiet. I've got my 8 drive array right behind me and the drives are the issue really.
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