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Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by dkns »

pingyong wrote: post #40
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #7

It was incredible to me how aggressively Microsoft came out supportive of the Chrome team and how loudly they discussed the wonderful amount of collaboration the two companies had been up to since starting work on the new Edge. I've seen Googlers responding to Edge developers about how they'll get some mishandling of Edge fixed internally at Google. But really, this is just the same story as before: The "oops" have b…

If you're ever wondering how much data Chrome sucks out of you, the amount of effort Google goes through to try to keep people from using even Chrome-Edge, let alone Firefox, should give you a rough idea. Microsoft probably won't be much better though in the long run...

I reckon Microsoft can be even worse considering how much data they gather about you through telemetry built in Windows. Imagine if you're web dev using windows and edge along with vscode. Oof.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by wayneftw »

jmkni wrote: post #44

Remember when Google deprecated an API used by uBlock Origin in Chrome, does anybody know if this same API is deprecated in the new Chromium based Edge as well? If it isn't, I'd actually choose Edge over Chrome on Windows as my daily driver.

This is an ongoing change in the extension manifest v3. You can keep track of it here - https://developer.chrome.com/extensions/migrating_to_manifes...

This is not the default yet, even in Chrome. I hope Edge does not adopt this feature or, if they do, simply continue supporting the extension manifest v2.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by xienze »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #23
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #7

It was incredible to me how aggressively Microsoft came out supportive of the Chrome team and how loudly they discussed the wonderful amount of collaboration the two companies had been up to since starting work on the new Edge. I've seen Googlers responding to Edge developers about how they'll get some mishandling of Edge fixed internally at Google. But really, this is just the same story as before: The "oops" have b…

Pretty interesting article. > "Google Chrome ads started appearing next to Firefox search terms. Gmail & [Google] Docs started to experience selective performance issues and bugs on Firefox. Demo sites would falsely block Firefox as 'incompatible'," he said. > "All of this is stuff you're allowed to do to compete, of course. But we were still a search partner, so we'd say 'hey what gives?' And every time, they'd say,…

> All of this is stuff you're allowed to do to compete, of course.

Is it though? It blows my mind how Google gets a pass on stuff like this. Way back when MS got slapped for monopolistic practices the key argument was that by bundling IE with Windows they were leveraging their dominant position in desktop OSs to gain an unfair advantage in another industry (browsers/web, via IE).

Meanwhile Google leverages their position in search, email, etc. to push Chrome and whatever else, and no one bats an eye.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by Tyrek »

hknd wrote: post #45
Santosh83 wrote: post #14

If Google were truly behind open web standards then they would have nothing to fear and no need to promote one standards conforming browser (Chrome) over another (Edge, Firefox or whatever). This just shows that the ultimate desire of all these corporate backed browsers is some degree of vendor lock in, which is why they feel the need to advertise their browser when their competitor's is almost 99.9% identical in fun…

These are different teams within Google, and it's kinda not fair to say that Google is not truly behind open web standards. Their whole web developer advocate team is behind open web standards, and pushes it forward everyday. The engineering team actually working on Chrome is behind those standards, and pushes it forward. They work closely with other browser vendors. and try to make everything work everywhere. Then t…

it's kinda not fair to say that a large org should have enough internal coordination to align incentives and coordinate between different teams? It sounds reasonable to start with, but really gets to the whole making-excuses-for-them kind of thing if you think harder, no?

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by einr »

callmeal wrote: post #49
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #7

It was incredible to me how aggressively Microsoft came out supportive of the Chrome team and how loudly they discussed the wonderful amount of collaboration the two companies had been up to since starting work on the new Edge. I've seen Googlers responding to Edge developers about how they'll get some mishandling of Edge fixed internally at Google. But really, this is just the same story as before: The "oops" have b…

>The "oops" have begun... Try running gmail in firefox. It's abysmal. A single click takes a few seconds to open email. This is malice, not incompetence. And I'm not even going to get into the whole endless captcha on firefox 'feature'.

Another thing: every single time I use Google to search for a Firefox extension such as uBlock Origin or anything else that is available on both browsers, the equivalent Chrome extension is consistently the first result.

It knows my user agent. It knows very well that the Firefox extension is the relevant result. This is 100% done out of malice.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by moron4hire »

hknd wrote: post #45
Santosh83 wrote: post #14

If Google were truly behind open web standards then they would have nothing to fear and no need to promote one standards conforming browser (Chrome) over another (Edge, Firefox or whatever). This just shows that the ultimate desire of all these corporate backed browsers is some degree of vendor lock in, which is why they feel the need to advertise their browser when their competitor's is almost 99.9% identical in fun…

These are different teams within Google, and it's kinda not fair to say that Google is not truly behind open web standards. Their whole web developer advocate team is behind open web standards, and pushes it forward everyday. The engineering team actually working on Chrome is behind those standards, and pushes it forward. They work closely with other browser vendors. and try to make everything work everywhere. Then t…

When leadership acts unethically, the employees who stay tacitly approve. You can't tell me that Google engineers are hurting for opportunities.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by jmnicolas »

jmkni wrote: post #44

Remember when Google deprecated an API used by uBlock Origin in Chrome, does anybody know if this same API is deprecated in the new Chromium based Edge as well? If it isn't, I'd actually choose Edge over Chrome on Windows as my daily driver.

The author said that the best platform to run ublock origin is Firefox, why not use it ?

I only use Chrome for Goggle related stuff anyway, all my browsing goes through Firefox.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by doteka »

dkns wrote: post #51
pingyong wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're ever wondering how much data Chrome sucks out of you, the amount of effort Google goes through to try to keep people from using even Chrome-Edge, let alone Firefox, should give you a rough idea. Microsoft probably won't be much better though in the long run...

I reckon Microsoft can be even worse considering how much data they gather about you through telemetry built in Windows. Imagine if you're web dev using windows and edge along with vscode. Oof.

Microsoft is way less interested in selling your data to third parties than Google - ads are not the majority of their income

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by toyg »

taf2 wrote: post #35
Santosh83 wrote: post #14

If Google were truly behind open web standards then they would have nothing to fear and no need to promote one standards conforming browser (Chrome) over another (Edge, Firefox or whatever). This just shows that the ultimate desire of all these corporate backed browsers is some degree of vendor lock in, which is why they feel the need to advertise their browser when their competitor's is almost 99.9% identical in fun…

This is just not true... What Google is concerned about is decades of bad behavior by Microsoft. Prior to the last decade Microsoft used embrace, extend and extinguish very aggressively to take control over nearly 96% of the desktop market and web platform via IE6. It's only fair the same developers who worked on Netscape, IE, Mozilla and now Chrome should be a little concerned with the history and motivations of a c…

Google did the same "embrace, extend and extinguish" play to Java on mobile (Android) and to Firefox on the web (Chrome): "hey, we love you, all on the same boat... Well, I guess we are a bit better now... Alright, now we call the shots".

Anybody worrying about '90s Microsoft should be much more wary of Google by now, and anybody working at Google pretending this is not going on is simply deluded.

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