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Post by jefurii »

growlist wrote: post #4

The sad thing is that with a few changes (swap the top tier for politburo, next tier for the communist party, etc.) a similar pyramid applies to communism.

A Pyramid of (Russian,Chinese) Communist System would be fairly similar, but with government officials taking the place of the capitalists and Communist Party officials taking the place of priests, and with those two reversed. Russia never actually implemented socialism, meaning that they never put power in the hands.of workers. A real socialist system would be something like a giant worker cooperative, like Mondragon.

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Post by growlist »

jefurii wrote: post #42
LegitShady wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It'd be nice to see an example of a socialist county that hadn't been constantly attacked and sabotaged by capitalist countries and allowed to go its own way. Then at least we'd be able to do a fairer comparison.

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Post by Turing_Machine »

PaulRobinson wrote: post #50
jefurii wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'd be nice to see an example of a socialist county that hadn't been constantly attacked and sabotaged by capitalist countries and allowed to go its own way. Then at least we'd be able to do a fairer comparison.

France, Denmark, Finland and Sweden all qualify for most American definitions of the term "Socialist".

No, they do not. All of those countries have market economies.

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Post by jefurii »

PaulRobinson wrote: post #50
jefurii wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'd be nice to see an example of a socialist county that hadn't been constantly attacked and sabotaged by capitalist countries and allowed to go its own way. Then at least we'd be able to do a fairer comparison.

France, Denmark, Finland and Sweden all qualify for most American definitions of the term "Socialist".

Good point. Update: "social democracy" is probably a better term here.

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Post by jefurii »

growlist wrote: post #52
jefurii wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'd be nice to see an example of a socialist county that hadn't been constantly attacked and sabotaged by capitalist countries and allowed to go its own way. Then at least we'd be able to do a fairer comparison.

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You mean like what the U.S. did to Central American countries during the 80s? OR Vietnam, where we overthrew a democratically elected socialist government and installed a puppet, then dropped napalm on them when the didn't like that?

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Post by LegitShady »

PaulRobinson wrote: post #50
jefurii wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'd be nice to see an example of a socialist county that hadn't been constantly attacked and sabotaged by capitalist countries and allowed to go its own way. Then at least we'd be able to do a fairer comparison.

France, Denmark, Finland and Sweden all qualify for most American definitions of the term "Socialist".

Those are all market economies. You're are factually incorrect and trying to cover it using "American definitions". None of those places are socialist and will actively tell you so if asked.

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Post by busterarm »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #53
PaulRobinson wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

France, Denmark, Finland and Sweden all qualify for most American definitions of the term "Socialist".

No, they do not. All of those countries have market economies.

Don't bother, the rose emoji socialists in this country don't know the difference between socialism and social democracy.

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Post by TOGoS »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #45
whatshisface wrote: post #7

One surreal aspect of the modern system, when viewed from the perspective of 1800s leftism, is that there are many programmers (laborers, technically) who have more money than the average landlord. How do you draw the pyramid then?

Software dev, and many if most jobs these days, are not labourers. A labourer is someone with no special skill or trade. Stacking shelves is a labourer job: the only requirement is physical strength. Software devs are generally highly skilled professionals like perhaps lawyers.

Horse hockey. All labor requires some skill. That doesn't make it not labor.
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