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Starlink Is a Big Deal

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Re: Starlink Is a Big Deal

#51
post #34

"HFT firms will be the first customers, seeking a few-millisecond reduction in the transmission of realtime data between markets. Starlink has already said as much, and I think they rely on this as their first and primary source of revenue." I am not sure this is a good prediction ... the shaving of milliseconds that has been pursued by HFT firms (and other such actors) has progressed to the point where they are meas…

Consult the original source: http://nrg.cs.ucl.ac.uk/mjh/starlink-draft.pdf

Re: Starlink Is a Big Deal

#52
post #6

hopefully it makes inet service on planes better

Companies like Viasat are already offering that. A couple of years ago, they were talking about how they wanted to offer free internet to all passangers (with enough bandwidth that everyone could stream HD movies, thanks to the new satellite they launched in 2017). I'm not sure how the rollout is going, though, or if the airlines want to do this. I guess the airlines can make a fortune overcharging passengers for int…

> A couple of years ago, they were talking about how they wanted to offer free internet to all passangers (with enough bandwidth that everyone could stream HD movies, thanks to the new satellite they launched in 2017). I'm not sure how the rollout is going, though, or if the airlines want to do this. I guess the airlines can make a fortune overcharging passengers for internet.

The only thing that makes sense to me right now is what airlines are already doing: serving cached video from a server on the airplane.

Re: Starlink Is a Big Deal

#53

I'm not convinced that Starlink will provide access to the "half of the human beings (who) are not online yet." Of course that would be good, yet my guess is that Starlink will target people in developed nations who are in rural areas, or people who want low latency. Maybe Starlink could serve people w/o internet if a whole village buys a subscription, or if a cell provider uses Starlink as backhaul for voice? Still…

It's all going to depend on prices and we don't know how they will be set.

Having a backup way of communicating can be important, even if you don't use it much. Land lines are expensive. If there is a low enough monthly fee, maybe a backup connection via Starlink will be feasible?

Re: Starlink Is a Big Deal

#54
post #46

Just going to plug my Starlink tracker here: https://james.darpinian.com/satellites/?special=starlink It tells you when to go outside and look up to see the satellites as they pass over your house. It's a cool sight to see because there are up to 60 of them crossing the sky at the same time in a line.

Could you add dates and time zones to the events? I want to manually add one to my calendar correctly.

Times are always displayed in your local time zone according to your OS/web browser settings. Now that you mention it, I should put an "add to calendar" link in there.

Re: Starlink Is a Big Deal

#55

Just going to plug my Starlink tracker here: https://james.darpinian.com/satellites/?special=starlink It tells you when to go outside and look up to see the satellites as they pass over your house. It's a cool sight to see because there are up to 60 of them crossing the sky at the same time in a line.

Thank you! I was looking for this today but I didn't bookmark it last time. Bookmarked it this time though!

Re: Starlink Is a Big Deal

#56
post #4

I am skeptical of anything like 600Mbps being offered to anyone at anything like an affordable price, but overall, sure, globally-available internet seems like a good thing. Too bad we have to give up the night sky for it, though.

We won't give up the night sky. Starlink won't be very high so majority of satellites will be in the shadow except close to sunrise/sunset.

Starlink satellites are quite small and probably won't be very visible even when deployed. SpaceX is working to reduce "glare" so this will probably be further improved.

Even with a full grid deployed, I doubt you would see more than a dozen satellites at any given time. Someone probably has numbers so please correct me or chip in.

Re: Starlink Is a Big Deal

#57
Yet people flock to cities en masse and in acceleration. The most technically educated/capable flock to even fewer cities, even where connectivity is terrible. Centralization of technology is a reality and what could be more centralizing than a single-interest entity controlling the global satellite network. Starlink is surely a big deal, but of limited applicability.

Re: Starlink Is a Big Deal

#58
post #4

I am skeptical of anything like 600Mbps being offered to anyone at anything like an affordable price, but overall, sure, globally-available internet seems like a good thing. Too bad we have to give up the night sky for it, though.

We won't give up the night sky. Starlink won't be very high so majority of satellites will be in the shadow except close to sunrise/sunset. Starlink satellites are quite small and probably won't be very visible even when deployed. SpaceX is working to reduce "glare" so this will probably be further improved. Even with a full grid deployed, I doubt you would see more than a dozen satellites at any given time. Someone…

The question is whether this is a nuisance or an existential threat to earth-based astronomy.[0] It's definitely not nothing.

[0] http://astronomy.com/news/2020/01/with-more-spacex-starlink-...

Re: Starlink Is a Big Deal

#59
post #4

I am skeptical of anything like 600Mbps being offered to anyone at anything like an affordable price, but overall, sure, globally-available internet seems like a good thing. Too bad we have to give up the night sky for it, though.

Giving up some of the night sky for the billions of humans that live in rural areas, or live in countries where the physical internet is controlled by oppressive governments hellbent on withholding information from its citizens is worth it. The trillions of dollars it would take to build out infrastructure (and maintain) in Africa and India is worth it. In fact, even 20 Mbps would be life changing in bringing informa…

I'm glad you think it's worth it. I'm not as sure, personally. Especially since your examples don't hold water with me.

Oppressive governments that don't like the internet aren't going to just allow the transceivers. They need line of sight to the sky and even if you hide them, detecting them would be trivial. Super rural areas and 3rd world areas have their own set of problems. I'm thinking of the OLPC type issues here. I'm all for spreading knowledge, but these areas have far bigger issues than internet access.

Personally, I view this as just another bulldozing a place of nature to build a hospital or something like that. Is that hospital useful? Undoubtedly. Is it worth having one less place of nature? Debatable.

The only difference is scale. We're talking about the destruction of a place of nature for the entire world. Over dramatized? I don't think so- there are many examples of people talking about looking up at the stars in wonderment, driving them to great things. Maybe that will still happen when there are thousands of satellites streaming by, but nobody has that foresight.

Re: Starlink Is a Big Deal

#60
post #4

I am skeptical of anything like 600Mbps being offered to anyone at anything like an affordable price, but overall, sure, globally-available internet seems like a good thing. Too bad we have to give up the night sky for it, though.

> Too bad we have to give up the night sky for it, though. Oh, I wasn't aware we were getting any choice in the matter? Isn't this SpaceX just putting whatever they want up there?

These low orbits won't last forever. If nobody pays for them, they'll all be gone in a few years.
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