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Re: Stop donating your customers' data to Google Analytics

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post #26

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If you think you can replicate that with 10 lines you have no idea what Google Analytics is used for.

I'm ashamed to admit that I use GA on my blog to essentially count page views. The other information is interesting but mostly unused (by me). I would be far better served by a tool or service handling server logs (any recommendations?). But GA is 0 friction, so it's what I picked up back in the day. I suspect there are a lot of people in this boat.

Matomo can also be used to analyze server logs.

Re: Stop donating your customers' data to Google Analytics

#53
post #43

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I'd say the following to this (very reasonable) argument against using AWS: AWS makes money by selling services, not collecting data. Should Amazon make the leap and start harvesting data from AWS for marketing purposes, the data from their analytics platform will be the least of our worries. Thus far, AWS has proven to be safe for companies to host their data upon, and there have been no leaks of data stored in AWS…

This is why I use Prime photos, instead of Google photos. I need one, so I’ll take the paid one.

I wouldn't conflate their general motives nor their data handling policies between their b2b offerings and their b2c offerings.

Re: Stop donating your customers' data to Google Analytics

#54

I have created a simple workflow using AWS Lambda + Kinesis + S3 to track our customers and not to have any 3rd party dependency. It took roughly 2 weeks but it is worth it since do not leak customer data and we have much tighter control over what we collect (no PII except the source ip that gets hashed in the process).

> I have created a simple workflow using AWS Lambda + Kinesis + S3 to track our customers and not to have any 3rd party dependency.

Except for each of the 3 components you listed that make up your system. They are 3rd party dependencies,

Re: Stop donating your customers' data to Google Analytics

#55
post #13
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Depends on the job, purpose of site, and goals being accomplished. Hard to demonstrate value and improve digital business outcomes without GA (and other tools like HEAP Analytics).

Yeah, the "value" being shown rarely actually investigates causal impact. Else they'd recognize that the literature shows that digital advertising has no measurable (provable) impact.[0] I recognize that there is more to digital business than adds, such as paternalistic commercial guidance, dark patterns, web traversal, and so on. However, I haven't seen proof that these patterns matter, especially given recent criti…

> Else they'd recognize that the literature shows that digital advertising has no measurable (provable) impact.[0]

This is a gross mischaracterization of what the linked paper says.

"It's extremely difficult to measure the impact" (the claim that the cited paper puts forward) has quite a different meaning from "no measurable impact." The paper is entirely about the difficulty of measuring the impact, and studiously avoids, as far as I can tell, any inference about what the impact actually was in these experiments. For example, Table I gives the mean of the control group sales and a standard deviation, but no mean of the treatment group sales, which you would need to do a statistical test of whether there was an impact; similarly, Table II reports standard deviations of the sales effect and ROI, but not means; Table III presents power calculations based on hypothetical ROIs and the real measured standard deviations, but gives no clue to the real ROIs were. Nowhere does the paper support your claim that there is no measurable impact.

In addition, the situation is very different for small companies that most people have never heard of. The article is citing studies done with major corporations with millions of customers and that are already well established in the collective consciousness. Measuring the effect of an advertising campaign taking you from 3.23 million customers to 3.231 million customers is indeed very difficult, particularly when you might fluctuate by tens of thousands of customers on a weekly basis. Measuring the effect of an AdWords campaign taking you from 200 customers to 250 customers is much easier.

Re: Stop donating your customers' data to Google Analytics

#56
post #17

I didn't know about AWS Pinpoint before, but from what I can see, it only offers analytics for email and other messages, not for web pages, so presenting it as a full alternative for Google Analytics is misleading.

The article doesn't even seem to mention anything for which GA is nearly indispensable. E-commerce analytics, conversion funnel visualization, customer segmentation, etc.

Re: Stop donating your customers' data to Google Analytics

#57

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Or you could write the 10 lines of JavaScript that'll do what 99% of people use Google analytics for

This really reminds me of the infamous "you can just use FTP instead of Dropbox" comment.

I don't disagree, but in a bit of fairness, a lot of people just use GA for page-counts and basic correlation stuff...you could do that in a relatively small amount of frontend JS stuff and a slightly-more-complex backend API to handle the basic correlation stuff.

That said, that will only do about .01% of all the features of GA; like the infamous "FTP vs. Dropbox" the premise itself isn't exactly "wrong", just missing a bigger point.

Re: Stop donating your customers' data to Google Analytics

#58

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I'm ashamed to admit that I use GA on my blog to essentially count page views. The other information is interesting but mostly unused (by me). I would be far better served by a tool or service handling server logs (any recommendations?). But GA is 0 friction, so it's what I picked up back in the day. I suspect there are a lot of people in this boat.

Matomo can also be used to analyze server logs.

19USD/mo for 3 sites seems pretty steep, and I have 0 interest in managing my own PHP service. Is there anything cheaper in this space?

Re: Stop donating your customers' data to Google Analytics

#59

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I'd say the following to this (very reasonable) argument against using AWS: AWS makes money by selling services, not collecting data. Should Amazon make the leap and start harvesting data from AWS for marketing purposes, the data from their analytics platform will be the least of our worries. Thus far, AWS has proven to be safe for companies to host their data upon, and there have been no leaks of data stored in AWS…

Or is that wishful thinking? AWS and Amazon are in the buisness of collecting, storing, and processing data.

Can you provide a citation about that with AWS and its customers? Amazon itself, I have no problem believing (and have seen it in action. However, AWS is run separately from Amazon('s storefront, specifically).

If AWS were really aggregating customer's data stored in AWS' platform, I think we'd be seeing a lot more about it in the news. And there would be a lot more than just Walmart advocating against its use.

Re: Stop donating your customers' data to Google Analytics

#60
post #2

So the solution is to use Amazon's tracker? I appreciate the problem and I would like to stop using GA in my static pages as well, but trading one privately-owned software from a tech giant for another privately-owned software from a different tech giant seems a bit ludicrous. I would readily swap GA for some decent open-source solution though.

I'd say the following to this (very reasonable) argument against using AWS: AWS makes money by selling services, not collecting data. Should Amazon make the leap and start harvesting data from AWS for marketing purposes, the data from their analytics platform will be the least of our worries. Thus far, AWS has proven to be safe for companies to host their data upon, and there have been no leaks of data stored in AWS…

People said the same about Apple, and then it turned out to be bullshit.[0] And, big surprise, their customers did not seem to hold them accountable.

So in the end, paying for stuff just shows that you're a more valuable product to sell. And gives them a great primary key to track you by.

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22106536

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