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F-35 logistics system to be reinvented and renamed, official says

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Re: F-35 logistics system to be reinvented and renamed, official says

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Post by lowdose »

imtringued wrote: post #40
lowdose wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because civilian made is not invented here?

I don't understand how you can even imply that it's because of a stupid reason like that. No the reason is that there are fundamental differences in the risk profile of the civilian and military sector. Adversaries will insert spies in mission critical projects if they are publicly accessible. Once the main contributors stop maintaining the project the military will have to hire people and train them for maintenance…

If there's one open source project government can easily adopt it is kubernetes.

Have you heard of the cloud native computing foundation where members have committed to longterm investment in kubernetes development?

Kubernetes is the commoditization of infrastructure layers and serious forward looking companies are member of CNFC.

I assume you are aware of the history of Silicon Valley with defense contractors. And you probably also heard that the FBI approached Paypall for fraud detection capabilities. Hence Peter Thiel's venture Palantir.

https://www.cncf.io/about/members/

Re: F-35 logistics system to be reinvented and renamed, official says

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Post by apcherry »

pixelface wrote: post #3

"ODIN will be based in the cloud and designed to deliver data in near real time on aircraft and system performance under heightened cyber security provisions, Lord said. " heart warming to see us draw ever closer to the cyberpunk dystopia of my childhood dreams.

I wonder if it was proposed by a Neal Stephenson fan (DODO)?

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Post by LoSboccacc »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #45
imtringued wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly non fully autonomous UAVs are going to drop like flies if they encounter a F-35. People seem to fail to understand that the F-35 is also an advanced ECM platform. What is that drone going to do once its connection to the remote base is cut?

Home in on the loudest RF source and try to ram it?

they don't have the engine and maneuverability to reach that speed. if they had, you'd have to have the same kind of logistic and complexity as a fighter craft, negating most of the above points about drones.

missiles don't have the same restrictions because they don't have to have anything in the way of performance as loiter time or target search system or payloads.

what you're thinking of are Anti Radiation missiles such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-27_(air-to-air_missile)

but that ties with the point being made originally, you have to sacrifice payload, or go bigger to have more payload options, or go sideway and have air superiority drones sweep the area before, and it all ties into the "this stuff hasn't been tested in symmetric warfare so who knows" argument.

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Post by mikorym »

Patient0 wrote: post #34
mikorym wrote: post #29

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This is always an exciting question... You know, it's nice to daydream about all kinds of secret and mysterious projects. But I think another question is more about necessity, and I think necessity is what fuels a lot of politics around these kind of military projects. People pull towards both extremes and end up somewhere in the middle, which is maybe the mean of perceived necessity. If the US is clever (NSA: this i…

nitpick: in this context, you would want to use the word "cue" not "queue". "cue" => signal for an actor to go on stage or whatever. "queue" => orderly line of people waiting to buy a movie ticket.

True, thanks. But in this case it was a fortunate fluke. Their queue is probably pretty long and unresolved as we speak.

Re: F-35 logistics system to be reinvented and renamed, official says

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Post by euler_angles »

ALIS. Jesus. What a disaster it was. We had to use it in flight testing and our instantiation was so poor that you literally couldn't use it to order a part. You had to send an email to order parts.

And for the engineering tasks I was doing, there were no good ways to categorize the task, so I eventually gave up and called all the data loads I was doing "LUBRICATION/OTHER". Hey, making the data flow better is a kind of lubrication, right?

I would say "maybe it's gotten better since I used it years ago" but from this article it looks like the answer is a solid "No".

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Post by [deleted] »

chinathrow wrote: post #4
pixelface wrote: post #3

"ODIN will be based in the cloud and designed to deliver data in near real time on aircraft and system performance under heightened cyber security provisions, Lord said. " heart warming to see us draw ever closer to the cyberpunk dystopia of my childhood dreams.

Wait till you learn that some F-16s run with Kubernetes on board. https://thenewstack.io/how-the-u-s-air-force-deployed-kubern... "“One point for the team was to demonstrate that it could be done,” Chaillan said. He challenged the Air Force and its partners to get Kubernetes up and running on a jet in 45 days, and while that was as difficult as it sounds, the team met the goal and F-16s are now running three concurre…

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Re: F-35 logistics system to be reinvented and renamed, official says

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Post by davedx »

imtringued wrote: post #38
LoSboccacc wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> airpower projection is via unmanned systems I'm unconvinced by this assessment, for one they haven't had symmetrical warfare in a long time and a pilot is way harder to jam. for another long range laser ciws systems are getting more and more effective and if you armor cheap unmanned system they stop being cheap. but ultimately they have limited payload option and you can always pack more countermeasures than the en…

Honestly non fully autonomous UAVs are going to drop like flies if they encounter a F-35. People seem to fail to understand that the F-35 is also an advanced ECM platform. What is that drone going to do once its connection to the remote base is cut?

Genuinely curious: how do you jam a line-of-sight radio link?

Re: F-35 logistics system to be reinvented and renamed, official says

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Post by davedx »

ISL wrote: post #20
pixelface wrote: post #3

"ODIN will be based in the cloud and designed to deliver data in near real time on aircraft and system performance under heightened cyber security provisions, Lord said. " heart warming to see us draw ever closer to the cyberpunk dystopia of my childhood dreams.

A few EMP bursts can demolish the cloud, at least as we civilians know it.

I dunno about that, if you're multi-region? https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/global-infrastructure/regio...

That's more than a few EMP's...

Of course if they deploy it on a single Digital Ocean droplet then it's a bit more vulnerable.

Re: F-35 logistics system to be reinvented and renamed, official says

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Post by greedo »

davedx wrote: post #58
imtringued wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly non fully autonomous UAVs are going to drop like flies if they encounter a F-35. People seem to fail to understand that the F-35 is also an advanced ECM platform. What is that drone going to do once its connection to the remote base is cut?

Genuinely curious: how do you jam a line-of-sight radio link?

Determine the frequency, then overpower the transmitter. Or just kill the transmitter...
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