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What the death of iTunes says about digital habits

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Re: What the death of iTunes says about digital habits

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My iTunes Library is 15 years old, contains 11,496 songs, 871 music videos, 2,418 television episodes, and 67 movies. Only now it's split up to two different apps, once of which is laughably unfinished but otherwise continues to do the job. Meanwhile, after 5 1/2 years and $578, I cancelled my Netflix subscription and have no intention to ever start it up again. Dead, indeed.

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Re: What the death of iTunes says about digital habits

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... iTunes became a bucket of too many features, so apple split it up into multiple applications. Apple music is pretty much exactly the same as iTunes was without a bunch of non-music related features. It's silly to say ~"iTunes died" it just changed names.

> Apple music is pretty much exactly the same as iTunes was without a bunch of non-music related features. Hmm, not really. I took a brief look at the UI during the Catalina beta and concluded that I wanted nothing to do with it. I have spent years learning how to use iTunes well. I'm not about to throw away that investment of time and energy on a new, untested app with a different UI. I'll stick with iTunes to manag…

For a long time the only interface in iTunes that I've really liked was the Column Browser interface. That's remained available throughout the various changes in iTunes and now in Music over the years, but disappeared in Catalina.

Fortunately, that disappearance was only temporary. It returned in 10.15.2.

Select "Songs" in the left sidebar, and a "Column Browser" submenu will be added to the View menu. Turn it on (⌘B), and you get a nice, no-nonsense, high information density view of your collection, letting you quickly filter by genre, artist, and album. Right click on a column heading and you can add columns for composer and grouping or remove columns.

Re: What the death of iTunes says about digital habits

#53

> Most iPhone users, instead of tapping on a favorite app, now just search for it from the top bar. Funny how "intuitive" interfaces must regress to ideas that must be over half a century old by now just to work properly.

I see it more than organizing more than a certain number of things is a lost cause, so search is a better solution than organization. Yahoo used to be hierarchically organized. Then good search (blame Altavista, I guess) came along. When Window 7 added search to the Start button that would search for installed apps, I never needed to drill into the Start Menu again.

Re: What the death of iTunes says about digital habits

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> Most iPhone users, instead of tapping on a favorite app, now just search for it from the top bar. Funny how "intuitive" interfaces must regress to ideas that must be over half a century old by now just to work properly.

Didn't expect the article to mention this, but this is absolutely true for me. I only know the locations of some apps, and I search for the rest.

Fascinating. My fist screen is all apps I use daily. The second is everything else in folders

Re: What the death of iTunes says about digital habits

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iCloud seems to do a fine job backing up photos and videos. When I get a new iPhone, I don't even take a manual backup -- I just login to iCloud and wait for everything to sync. iCloud restore populates all my apps, settings, photos, videos, etc. Apart from having to setup FaceID and re-enter passwords, it's like nothing changed.

But I can backup to my computer for free... I would have to pay $9.99 a month for 2TBs of iCloud storage....

You have 8 256gb iOS devices?

Re: What the death of iTunes says about digital habits

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> Most iPhone users, instead of tapping on a favorite app, now just search for it from the top bar. Funny how "intuitive" interfaces must regress to ideas that must be over half a century old by now just to work properly.

I see it more than organizing more than a certain number of things is a lost cause, so search is a better solution than organization. Yahoo used to be hierarchically organized. Then good search (blame Altavista, I guess) came along. When Window 7 added search to the Start button that would search for installed apps, I never needed to drill into the Start Menu again.

The web is many orders of degree larger space to traverse while the apps on your phone are much smaller.

It used to be that I found apps by typing in a few letters. Lately, however, I’m more likely to find an app by pulling down the search mode on my iPad and then tapping one of the suggested apps.

That shows to me that there are definitely better ways to organize and present apps to users that haven’t been tried enough.

Re: What the death of iTunes says about digital habits

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... iTunes became a bucket of too many features, so apple split it up into multiple applications. Apple music is pretty much exactly the same as iTunes was without a bunch of non-music related features. It's silly to say ~"iTunes died" it just changed names.

Probably just became to unweildy for the developers and they split it out. I can't imagine successfully staffing a giant monolithic application. I think it would be hard to get job satisfaction working on a tiny piece of an app with decades of cruft. Most apps like this are several orders of magnitude larger than say, the linux kernel.

I can't imagine how a music player became such a monolithic application in the first place...

But I mean that's not true. I suspect the reason it was such a behemoth was because Apple wanted it to be the gateway and gatekeeper to both acquiring media and transferring it to the device.

Like Spotify manages to do quite well for itself without being the monstrosity that iTunes became. I'd guess that the foundation of Apple's garden walls is also the source of their technical debt.

Re: What the death of iTunes says about digital habits

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post #8

My take on the author's take is that by point 10, he's realized what a muddled and silly thing this is. > So what really failed, maybe, wasn’t iTunes at all… At which point whatever substance he's abused to get that far really kicks in for his final point. > In 1940, the German critic Walter Benjamin wrote about an angel in a Paul Klee painting. […] It is now clear, 80 years later, that the angel is looking at his ph…

Walter Benjamin is the original inspiration for the postmodernists. His writing is nonsensically opaque. If his name appears in an article, it's a good sign that the article is about to go off the rails.

Your comment is wonderfully muddled, since Benjamin was not an original inspiration for so-called postmodernist thinkers at all. Benjamin (and his intellectual companions, Adorno, Marcuse and others) were very much modernists, right before the heyday of the French "postmodernists". One has to wonder how 'opaque' Benjamin is, given that he is one of the most studied critical theorists in philosophy and literature. He must be at least translucent if there are knowledgable people making sense and use of his ideas. Apparently his ideas are sufficiently clear and interesting for an interest on HN[0].

In fact... someone on HN in 2014 claimed that Benjamin was a "postmodernist" too, and they were quickly shut down on that claim[1].

[0] https://hn.algolia.com/?q=walter+benjamin

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8295413

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