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YouTube Gives Us Love Without the Messiness

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Re: YouTube Gives Us Love Without the Messiness

#51
>desperate for a soporific remedy

This is the best channel I found to fall asleep: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLKSolaVsFrN7qTFL7lFkfw

The person disassembles hard drives to investigate, in videos that can be hours long, is very calm and doesn't speak much. It retains attention, due to some suspense, yet it's extremely boring. I usually get sleepy after a few minutes.

Beware though: there is one with a long moment of silence, and then he sneezes suddenly very loudly.

Re: YouTube Gives Us Love Without the Messiness

#52
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, because remaining polite is important. But I will make a mental note of it, and infer that said person was socialized improperly (f.e poor family life, severe bullying, inability to form strong bonds, unstable or has no non-surface relationships with other people), and thereby stay away. I don't in anyway mean to offend, and I am certain the other would reply with "I don't want such a judgemental person in my lif…

I would not stay away from someone because he was bullied or poor growing up. I find it wrong that someone would choose to further ostracise or marginalise or push away such person. You was bullied therefore I stay away? Wtf. If such person would harming me or my kids, I would stay away. But not just because their life was tougher then mine.

I wouldn't say it's because of the hardship, but usually the side-effects of said hardship, i.e untreated emotional problems, poor mindsets towards people and relationships, very closed off emotionally -- "guarded" and feeling like they constantly need to "defend" themselves in every relationship.

After being close with a multitude of people that were improperly socialzed -- and a multitude of people that were propeely socialized -- I'm not going to put myself in lower quality relationships "out of the goodness of my heart and soul" anymore.

It is dependent on the hardship though, and if the person recieved social support from his support system (f.e combat service in the military, growing up poor but very good family and values, etc.). Barring that, I'm more than likely going to be scarred emotionally by people that didn't learn how proper, healthy relationships look like, and it's a "we" not a "you vs. me."

Re: YouTube Gives Us Love Without the Messiness

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm going to disagree with you on that first sentence. It's likely that cats can sense your superior attitude toward them. As a result, they avoid bond-forming behaviors that require trust and vulnerability and mutual respect. Which in turn has reinforced your false idea that all cats are indifferent. I've been very close with two cats. They followed me around everywhere in our house wherever I went, sat next to/on m…

>cats can sense your superior attitude toward them. As a result, they avoid bond-forming behaviors that require trust and vulnerability and mutual respect. cats can trust and respect? I think it's a mistake to anthropomorphize animals to this degree.

> cats can trust and respect?

I think you're doing the reverse of anthropomorphizing - assuming that because humans have an experience, then that experience must be unique to humans.

Cats have all kinds of trust signals: showing their belly to you, slowly blinking at you, circling you with tail up, fully grooming themselves where you can see them.

You won't see these signals if you don't treat the cat with respect, i.e.: invade their space without "asking" (letting them sniff your hand from a safe distance first), pick them up when their body language indicates they are just fine where they are, pet them on places that are vulnerable (belly, throat), touch their fur when your hands have lotions or other scents.

Re: YouTube Gives Us Love Without the Messiness

#54
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With all its overly discussed faults, YT is such an invaluable resource. There is so much free high-quality content: educational, sport, music, spiritual. YT should get some respect and recognition. I'm an avid yt music user. There is practically infinite musical content there never released on any other medium. It's an irreplaceable cultural treasure.

I totally agree with you, but I also notice the slow but steady increase in ad content before, between, below all YouTube videos, that also seem to call back to my preferences, feelings, tastes, past interactions, etc. The question I always ask is: how long until YouTube removes the ability to skip ads altogether? How long until a painfully nontrivial portion of our browsing time is spent directly consuming propagand…

The $10 a month I pay for Youtube Premium improves my life a lot more than some other things I pay that or more for.

Re: YouTube Gives Us Love Without the Messiness

#55
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't want to pay for it and you don't want to be 'consuming propaganda' who do you think should be paying to run YouTube for you?

Just like on Facebook, the ads are doing much more than ‘paying to run’ the platform. And moreover, why would YouTube do anything but continue to increase the amount of ad content? It directly translates to more cash and profit. Same goes for paying content creators less.

> And moreover, why would YouTube do anything but continue to increase the amount of ad content? It directly translates to more cash and profit.

No the relationship isn't direct. As you add more advertising content to videos people will watch less and the advertising revenue would go down - this makes it not directly correlated.

> Same goes for paying content creators less.

In the same way, it's not a direct relationship. As you pay creators less they're less incentivised to create content for you to attach your advertising to.

To prove by absurdity, if you added an hour of un-skippable advertising to a two minute video, few people would watch the video.

Re: YouTube Gives Us Love Without the Messiness

#56
Edit: I read the article. My comment that I made (before I read the article) is still valid IMO. She scopes the issue too narrow. The issue is much bigger. Even when I watch something like funfunfunction (where the point is education) or Joe Rogan (i.e. podcasters) this point also exists.

My original comment:

I watch YouTube a lot. About 2 hours daily at the moment and have subscribed to 300 channels. I see one huge issue with it.

It's a one-way interaction.

You give all your attention to them, but they don't give anything back.

This is not an issue if you use YouTube every once in a while, but I've noticed that for me it's becoming problematic. There are many great reasons for watching YouTube, but with this title (love without the messiness) this issue becomes a big thing quite quick.

Consider this: if I'd talk to a friend 2 hours per day versus watching YouTube 2 hours per day. What would be healthier? Well, if it's a good friendship, talking to a friend would be way healthier actually. And I actually know this, because I do tend to have a few friends that I talk a lot to. Both my friendships and my need for watching YouTube stem from similar/the same desires even.

But one gives you attention back, the other doesn't.

This problem was stated in the article, but it doesn't only pertain to ASMR or boyfriend hairdressers. It pertains to any video that has a personable approach.

That doesn't mean that a personable approach is bad. IMO, it's simply a strong reason as to why one shouldn't watch too many videos in general.

Re: YouTube Gives Us Love Without the Messiness

#57

Edit: I read the article. My comment that I made (before I read the article) is still valid IMO. She scopes the issue too narrow. The issue is much bigger. Even when I watch something like funfunfunction (where the point is education) or Joe Rogan (i.e. podcasters) this point also exists. My original comment: I watch YouTube a lot. About 2 hours daily at the moment and have subscribed to 300 channels. I see one huge…

Yeah you should definitely read the article. (I know it's against the rules to imply someone hasn't read the article, but since you outright said you didn't, I feel like this is in bounds.) It is about the simulated giving back of attention that certain YouTube videos do.

Re: YouTube Gives Us Love Without the Messiness

#58

Edit: I read the article. My comment that I made (before I read the article) is still valid IMO. She scopes the issue too narrow. The issue is much bigger. Even when I watch something like funfunfunction (where the point is education) or Joe Rogan (i.e. podcasters) this point also exists. My original comment: I watch YouTube a lot. About 2 hours daily at the moment and have subscribed to 300 channels. I see one huge…

Yeah you should definitely read the article. (I know it's against the rules to imply someone hasn't read the article, but since you outright said you didn't, I feel like this is in bounds.) It is about the simulated giving back of attention that certain YouTube videos do.

Thanks, so that means the title is clickbait, in my opinion.

Re: YouTube Gives Us Love Without the Messiness

#59
post #4

Don't date robots: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrrADTN-dvg

...because dating is the motivation for young men to accomplish awesome things, according to this video. It’s a fun thought experiment, though: - On one side, women provide half the work (a recent article on HN said they were now the majority of US workers), - On the other, if access to family life was a motivator in the 50ies, what is the motivator in the 2020ies, now that dating isn’t... vetted by parents/society/s…

My motivation is the growing list of friends' Patreons/Ko-fis/fundraisers/etc that I don't have the means to support.

Yet.

Re: YouTube Gives Us Love Without the Messiness

#60
> The only cure for loneliness is to master the art of solitude.

Most important sentence to take action on in this article, IMO.

> But perhaps we fool ourselves in thinking our desires for love, comfort, and belonging can be sated with an inanimate object.

No, not perhaps, I think it can be phrased more strongly (at least, speaking for myself). I believe this to be true as I have cross-checked these type of YouTube experiences with real-life experience, looked at the similarities and differences. It's then easy to see that the YouTube thing is an illusion. The real thing is much better. With YouTube I feel soothed. With my significant other, all of my existential crises are gone and I feel soothed. Yes, it includes fights, but feeling part of a soul-mated team who support each other is totally worth it (I don't believe in soul mates, but I can still feel that way).

> The whole point of boyfriend videos—and of ASMR, mukbang, and the rest—is to create a one-way interaction from creator to silent consumer.

This is the case with all YouTube shows even that have a personable approach. I think the problem is much bigger than this article portrays (see also an earlier comment on it that I made).

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