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15ft tumbleweeds trap drivers and force Washington state road closure

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Re: 15ft tumbleweeds trap drivers and force Washington state road closure

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I wonder where on the social ladder does eating 'coon fall over there? Is it somewhat up there like most things hunting/fishing related are? (because hunting/fishing/trapping your own meat was generally something the landed gentry did for recreation) I really hope it's not in the bottom half just because of how uncomfortable that would make certain Americans.

I don't think any American hunting and eating raccoon harbors delusions about the social status of such activities, even in places where it's relatively popular. If anything, it being looked down upon is a point of pride. That said, I would imagine that raccoons carry a very high parasitic load on account of their omnivorous diet and the places they tend to poke around. I wouldn't hesitate to eat squirrel if offered…

>I don't think any American hunting and eating raccoon harbors delusions about the social status of such activities, even in places where it's relatively popular. If anything, it being looked down upon is a point of pride.

I agree. I'm just saying that if it's not considered low class in Europe (why would it be?) it'd be amusing if one of the people who normally looks down on people for eating that kind of thing comes across a European who a) occasionally eats 'coon, is b) of similar socioeconomic class to them and c) doesn't see what the big fuss is about because then said American would have to reckon with their prejudices.

>That said, I would imagine that raccoons carry a very high parasitic load on account of their omnivorous diet and the places they tend to poke around.

Yup. A willingness to eat meat and hang around dumpsters certainly ups the stakes. I don't eat raccoon but would have no problem eating one that I know is primarily fed from my compost pit. One from an urban area that's eaten raw meat from god knows what dumpster would give me pause. The same would go for sunk and possum. I'd have no problem eating a Boston Common squirrel. The nastiest thing they eat is probably moldy french fries.

Re: 15ft tumbleweeds trap drivers and force Washington state road closure

#52
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think any American hunting and eating raccoon harbors delusions about the social status of such activities, even in places where it's relatively popular. If anything, it being looked down upon is a point of pride. That said, I would imagine that raccoons carry a very high parasitic load on account of their omnivorous diet and the places they tend to poke around. I wouldn't hesitate to eat squirrel if offered…

>I don't think any American hunting and eating raccoon harbors delusions about the social status of such activities, even in places where it's relatively popular. If anything, it being looked down upon is a point of pride. I agree. I'm just saying that if it's not considered low class in Europe (why would it be?) it'd be amusing if one of the people who normally looks down on people for eating that kind of thing come…

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Re: 15ft tumbleweeds trap drivers and force Washington state road closure

#53
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Cliff Mass, a meteorology professor at the University of Washington in Seattle blogged about this last Friday[1]. There's a comment[2] from someone in the area who notes that some of those tumbleweeds were likely radioactive, since this is downwind of the Hanford Site[3], a relic from the Manhattan Project and later Cold War which has been leaking radioactive waste for decades. [1] https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2020…

As somebody who grew up around there with a dad that spent his whole career as a chemical engineer working with nuclear waste, I'm here to tell you that most tales about the radioactive material around Hanford are highly overblown. I'm probably exposed to more radiation on a single plane flight than I ever got from tumbleweeds near my house.

Re: 15ft tumbleweeds trap drivers and force Washington state road closure

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Argentine ants are well known for having colonised Europe and largely eradicated the local species of ants. Phylloxera almost killed the French wine industry when it arrived in Europe. American turtles (called "Florida turtles" in French, not sure of their English name) and nutria are also invasive species in Europe, but those were initially introduced on purpose.

If you meant red-eared sliders as "Florida turtles", they're ironically banned for sale in Florida because they became an invasive species there.

Yep, that's it apparently. According to Wikipedia[0] though they are native to Florida.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red-eared_slider#Distribution_...

Re: 15ft tumbleweeds trap drivers and force Washington state road closure

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I heard tumbleweeds are an invasive species. Wikipedia seems to confirm: "Kali tragus [...] is an annual plant that breaks off at the stem base when it dies, and forms a tumbleweed, dispersing its seeds as the wind rolls it along. It is said to have arrived in the United States in shipments of flax seeds to South Dakota, perhaps about 1870. It now is a noxious weed throughout North America, dominating disturbed habit…

In the Netherlands at least, an American species of freshwater crayfish has almost completely replaced the native species and its ecosystem is unprepared for it. And grey squirrels in the UK, of course. There must be more.

Mud bugs and squirrels can make good meals, so there's an appetizing way of fighting back.

Re: 15ft tumbleweeds trap drivers and force Washington state road closure

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Well, that's fascinating. I had no idea the French had the equivalent of french fries, french toast, french beans, french dip, french onion soup, french onion dip, french silk pie, and other stuff that has "french" in the name but probably has no real relationship to France.

A known crowd-pleaser in this field is the "Jerusalem Artichoke"[0] which has nothing to with any of the words. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_artichoke

I'm convinced the second word was selected because prefixing an "f" tells one most of what one needs to know about this vegetable.

Re: 15ft tumbleweeds trap drivers and force Washington state road closure

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Argentine ants are well known for having colonised Europe and largely eradicated the local species of ants. Phylloxera almost killed the French wine industry when it arrived in Europe. American turtles (called "Florida turtles" in French, not sure of their English name) and nutria are also invasive species in Europe, but those were initially introduced on purpose.

The really interesting thing to me is that phylloxera was combated by grafting old world vines onto new world roots. So as I understand it, most of these super old established vines in France have American roots.

Shadows in the Vineyard [0] has a chapter about this for the benefit of anybody interested in reading about the incident.

[0] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18774145-shadows-in-the-...

Re: 15ft tumbleweeds trap drivers and force Washington state road closure

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I heard tumbleweeds are an invasive species. Wikipedia seems to confirm: "Kali tragus [...] is an annual plant that breaks off at the stem base when it dies, and forms a tumbleweed, dispersing its seeds as the wind rolls it along. It is said to have arrived in the United States in shipments of flax seeds to South Dakota, perhaps about 1870. It now is a noxious weed throughout North America, dominating disturbed habit…

...Australia? We have cane toads. Lots of cane toads. We used to have cane toad drives when I was a kid to stop the spread south. We would fill up wheelie bins full of them and freeze them. Must people just used cricket bats. In the end we lost. There were just too many of them. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cane_toads_in_Australia

No surprise when you kill off the weak, dumb and slow ones.

Re: 15ft tumbleweeds trap drivers and force Washington state road closure

#59
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Probably not. But also probably unwise to drive if you can't see...

He could probably see just fine when he stopped. That picture is taken hours later after many tumbleweeds have piled up to the point of it becoming a newsworthy event. I think being reluctant to crunch the stopped Prius (or whatever) in front of him is why he doesn't proceed.

Yeah, now that you mention it of course he was stopped by the people in front of him :)

Re: 15ft tumbleweeds trap drivers and force Washington state road closure

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post #41
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Argentine ants are well known for having colonised Europe and largely eradicated the local species of ants. Phylloxera almost killed the French wine industry when it arrived in Europe. American turtles (called "Florida turtles" in French, not sure of their English name) and nutria are also invasive species in Europe, but those were initially introduced on purpose.

The really interesting thing to me is that phylloxera was combated by grafting old world vines onto new world roots. So as I understand it, most of these super old established vines in France have American roots.

I recommend the book "Dying on the Vine" by my friend George Gale: https://www.ucpress.edu/book/9780520265486/dying-on-the-vine

"Dying on the Vine chronicles 150 years of scientific warfare against the grapevine’s worst enemy: phylloxera."

It's a very entertaining read, he tells the story excellently, and he has a deep knowledge of the subject.

(I know George through the grape breeders community.)

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