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Please Don’t Abbreviate the Year ‘2020’ on Checks and Legal Documents

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Re: Please Don’t Abbreviate the Year ‘2020’ on Checks and Legal Documents

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Post by deith »

reaperducer wrote: post #40
deith wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like a joke, to think that people still use cheques somewhere... like what the fuck

I wish I could live a simple life like you. Want to buy some land? Get ready to write a check to some person or government agency along the way. Want to transfer money from your account in bank to another with zero fees? Write a check. Want to start a business? Expect to write a check along the way. Want to stay in a hotel in some of the world's most interesting places? Cash or travelers checks. Credit card, if you'r…

I must live in Star Trek because I can assure you I do all of that electronically and with no fees. If you give someone here a cheque chances are they won't even know what it is. I'd say literally nobody under 30 here has seen a cheque in their entire life. (Spain)

Re: Please Don’t Abbreviate the Year ‘2020’ on Checks and Legal Documents

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Post by reaperducer »

gtirloni wrote: post #12
reificator wrote: post #6

Yet more reason to use the objectively correct date format. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601#Dates

How is it more "objectively correct" than DD-MM-YYYY?

How is it more "objectively correct" than DD-MM-YYYY?

Because the I in ISO means International, so it's automatically better on HN.

It's why the people on HN go to International House of Pancakes so much, but wouldn't be caught dead in The Pancake House.

Re: Please Don’t Abbreviate the Year ‘2020’ on Checks and Legal Documents

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Post by JoshuaMulliken »

jtbayly wrote: post #37
tomc1985 wrote: post #7

This meme is analyzed in detail by a lawyer and his friend in the middle of this podcast: https://openargs.com/oa347-pennhurst-and-the-voter-purge-in-...

Could you give us a summary, or a reason to bother listening to it?

Basically you shouldn’t worry about this legally or practically. The law is robust enough to prevent this from being an issue

Re: Please Don’t Abbreviate the Year ‘2020’ on Checks and Legal Documents

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Post by zenlot »

jacquesm wrote: post #32
reaperducer wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(1) stop using checks already I always find it interesting how people of a certain age, and especially in technology bubbles, enjoy restricting their options so much, as if there is some kind of nobility in giving themselves fewer choices and less freedom in life. Best tool for the job is on Windows? No way, I only use bespoke FrotzOS distributions on a laptop I built myself from parts I reflowed in my co-living oven…

Checks are only a thing in the US because there is no proper banking infrastructure. Here in the EU we can transfer money person-to-person, person-to-business and business-to-business instantly between a very large variety of banking institutions spanning 10's of countries. No need for routing instructions, correspondent banks, transfer accounts or any of that bs, and it's cheap to boot. There is absolutely no reason…

I guess you're not including UK here? Checks are a thing in UK and is very common for .gov institutions: driving licence? Write a check. Overpaid taxes? Receive check. Pay national insurance gaps? Write a check. It's good though that pretty much every banking app has ability to scan and deposit a check to your account in a matter of seconds.

Re: Please Don’t Abbreviate the Year ‘2020’ on Checks and Legal Documents

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Post by QuesnayJr »

tzs wrote: post #41
frutiger wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would note that the first letter of "ASCII" stands for "American".

Is there any language/locale/whatever that both (1) uses Arabic numerals and (2) does not sort the numerals in the same way ASCII does?

You're right. I was thinking that you need the dash to sort in the right order, but of course the dash is always in the same place in ISO 8601.

Re: Please Don’t Abbreviate the Year ‘2020’ on Checks and Legal Documents

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Post by Nerdfest »

noisem4ker wrote: post #8

Just switch to ISO 8601 formatted dates already: YYYY-MM-DD.

I've had my rant at someone already this year. A lawyer posting about legal documents saying "make sure you put all four digits in to avoid confusion" and the giving an example like 03/01/2020.

Sigh.

Re: Please Don’t Abbreviate the Year ‘2020’ on Checks and Legal Documents

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Post by Nerdfest »

JoshuaMulliken wrote: post #53
jtbayly wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you give us a summary, or a reason to bother listening to it?

Basically you shouldn’t worry about this legally or practically. The law is robust enough to prevent this from being an issue

Why the hell shouldn't they worry about practicality?

Re: Please Don’t Abbreviate the Year ‘2020’ on Checks and Legal Documents

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Post by zzo38computer »

I already don't abbreviate the year if I can avoid it. I prefer YYYY-MM-DD format myself; long form (e.g. "January 4, 2020") can also be used. However, some forms specify use of a particular date format (but if they do, then it is clear what the format is from the form; still sometimes the year can be ambiguous if there is only two digits).

Re: Please Don’t Abbreviate the Year ‘2020’ on Checks and Legal Documents

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Post by AndrewDucker »

zenlot wrote: post #54
jacquesm wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Checks are only a thing in the US because there is no proper banking infrastructure. Here in the EU we can transfer money person-to-person, person-to-business and business-to-business instantly between a very large variety of banking institutions spanning 10's of countries. No need for routing instructions, correspondent banks, transfer accounts or any of that bs, and it's cheap to boot. There is absolutely no reason…

I guess you're not including UK here? Checks are a thing in UK and is very common for .gov institutions: driving licence? Write a check. Overpaid taxes? Receive check. Pay national insurance gaps? Write a check. It's good though that pretty much every banking app has ability to scan and deposit a check to your account in a matter of seconds.

I can't comment on the rest but I recently paid for my driving license electronically.

Re: Please Don’t Abbreviate the Year ‘2020’ on Checks and Legal Documents

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Post by zzo38computer »

jacquesm wrote: post #11

(1) stop using checks already and (2) legal documents should always have the full date (spelled out) on them anyway, so if you just use '20' then that would have been wrong anyway, but 11/Dec/20.

I think the bank should have the option that the person with the bank account can require that cheques written from that account to be digitally signed. If this option is used, then the digital signature must be included in the cheque; you can calculate this on your computer, without requiring an internet connection or any proprietary software. If you do not have a computer, you can go to the bank and they will digitally sign it for you.
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