This is all about German politicians who've been bought out by Russian interests trying to protect their pet project(s). Speaking as a German, the fact that Germany would rather deal with and be reliant on a country like Russia is, frankly, insane and incredibly shameful. It's as if Ukraine didn't happen, nor Russian interference of elections across the Western world. For all the bad that the US does, at least they d…
I'm well aware of the popular notion that many US politicians are controlled by Russia, but have never heard that a similar theory exists with respect to Germany. Is this really a thing now, or are you referring to a far more limited scenario?
Germany Calls for European Firewall Against U.S. Sanctions
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
> For all the bad that the US does, at least they don't invade and annex European countries, and try to undermine European politics. Did you really just post that under an article about how the US is undermining European politics?
> Did you really just post that under an article about how the US is undermining European politics? Keyword: Undermined. I feel like you're arguing in bad faith here. I don't see the US undermining anything here except a project that would've made Russia richer and further increased Germany's gas dependence, and by extension political dependence, on Russia. I'd say the project itself was undermining the EU solidarity…
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Re: Germany Calls for European Firewall Against U.S. Sanctions
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> For all the bad that the US does, at least they don't invade and annex European countries, and try to undermine European politics. Another German here. I find Putin and Russia absolutely revolting, but that last part is utter propaganda. The US has meddled in European politics for decades - just take Trump's stupid whining against BMW or Bush/Obama's complaints about NATO budget or us Germans not joining the fun in…
I think we have a different definition for undermine. I can't say anything about how they've meddled in European politics. I'd hazard a guess that you really don't either, you just like being anti-American, which is the vastly popular opinion in Germany now, and partly the reason why nobody cares about Russia around here. But the EU has benefited greatly from US hegemony across the globe, such that I can't in any way…
Not allies, but expendable vasalls. Or how else do you see several installed belts of short range nukes, which would have made your life even more uncomfortable if Germany had been invaded by the Soviets? In fact at least doubly so.
Re: Germany Calls for European Firewall Against U.S. Sanctions
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Did you really just post that under an article about how the US is undermining European politics? Keyword: Undermined. I feel like you're arguing in bad faith here. I don't see the US undermining anything here except a project that would've made Russia richer and further increased Germany's gas dependence, and by extension political dependence, on Russia. I'd say the project itself was undermining the EU solidarity…
> and further increased Germany's gas dependence It doesn't, though. If Russia starts playing games (or just raises prices), Germany can immediately import American LPG, practically within weeks. There is no dependence on either Russia or America, and that's what makes America work against it. They want Germany to become dependent. On them.
It works the other way too. Germany can't afford to be hard on Russia and it's no accident that Germany (and by extension the EU) has been utterly ineffectual in the Ukraine situation. And going by how much has Germany gets from Russia, I highly doubt it could be quickly made up for by imports from the US. But even then, that'd just increase our dependence on the US, which at this point has also proven itself to be totally unreliable as a partner. It would also weaken our geopolitical position vs the US as it increasingly abuses its position on the world stage. Germany should be striving for energy independence from both of these awful countries.