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Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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The main issue here is criminal acquisition of information, not disclosure.

I am pretty sure the main issue here is that someone who has not been put on trial yet is being tortured to death.

He has been put on trial, and sentenced to 50 weeks in prison for skipping bail:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/julian-assan...

Try to keep up!

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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It is alleged that Assange coordinated with Chelsea Manning and the Russian government to obtain information for Wikileaks. This would make him an active conspirator in breaking the law. Completely different from Facebook, Google, Twitter etc where they merely provide a platform for others to upload content and aren't actively involved in sourcing illegal content.

Sure, but the Barton Gellman, from the Washington Post, coordinated with Ed Snowden to publish his leaks, too. Breaking the law in such a way is just not sufficient to explain why he ends up in prison.

He coordinated with them to publish the information, not to acquire it in the first place.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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The main issue here is criminal acquisition of information, not disclosure.

I am pretty sure the main issue here is that someone who has not been put on trial yet is being tortured to death.

He could have walked out of the Ecuador embassy in England and gone to court; instead, he chose to wait for seven years in the hopes of waiting it out.

I have zero sympathies for the guy. His intentions might have been honorable, but when you play with fire, you are bound to get burned.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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WikiLeaks is journalistic organization. (Some claim that they are shitty journalistic organization, but that is not a good argument for removing their status as journalistic organization) The question you should be asking is why Assange and not journalists in NYT, Guardian etc. who published what Assange provided? The answer is that charges against Assange are not about publishing secret information. Charges are Assa…

He has not yet been put on trial. He must be presumed innocent of all charges until such time that he is. Torturing even a guilty person is not acceptable. Torturing an innocent one is presumably less so.

The only people required to presume him innocent are the jurors in his trial. The rest of us are under no such compulsion for self-delusion.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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He is in jail for the offence of jumping bail. That Sweden dropped the charges doesn’t dismiss that offence. The UK spent 10s of millions on policing costs monitoring abscondment. It is entirely right that he is serving a sentence as for reasons of deterrence.

He is not currently serving the sentence for jumping bail. Right now he is just being held waiting for a hearing.

Assange doesn't qualify for bail (he is a flight risk/certainty) so he stays in custody until the hearings are done.

Made his bed and now has to lie in it.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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uk, usa and aus are basically killing this man, with no fair trial.

He had a fair trial for the crime of jumping bail, and has been jailed for it.

How exactly did you come to the conclusion that his trial was fair? The only coverage I've seen of the trial, which has been remarkably quiet, alleges extreme US interference: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/10/assange-in-c...

Jullian's father is going around the world telling people how brutally corrupt this all is, and how he fears for his son's life. The UN Special Rapporteur on Torture agrees with him: https://medium.com/@njmelzer/demasking-the-torture-of-julian....

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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He had a fair trial for the crime of jumping bail, and has been jailed for it.

Ok but he was not sentenced to this.

Assange doesn't qualify for bail (he is a flight risk/certainty) so he stays in custody until the hearings are done.

Made his bed and now has to lie in it.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is alleged that Assange coordinated with Chelsea Manning and the Russian government to obtain information for Wikileaks. This would make him an active conspirator in breaking the law. Completely different from Facebook, Google, Twitter etc where they merely provide a platform for others to upload content and aren't actively involved in sourcing illegal content.

Sure, but the Barton Gellman, from the Washington Post, coordinated with Ed Snowden to publish his leaks, too. Breaking the law in such a way is just not sufficient to explain why he ends up in prison.

Snowden had already exfiltrated the documents by the time he coordinated with journalists to publish them. Assange allegedly instructed Manning on how to exfiltrate the documents and directed Manning’s exfiltration process. Publishing is protected by the first amendment, stealing classified documents is not and ergo conspiracy to steal documents is not.

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am pretty sure the main issue here is that someone who has not been put on trial yet is being tortured to death.

He has been put on trial, and sentenced to 50 weeks in prison for skipping bail: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/julian-assan... Try to keep up!

Typically in the UK he would have been released by now since he was sentenced for under a year. Unsure why the snark is necessary

Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Why is the WikiLeaks foundation responsible for the content posted on their platform, when Google and Facebook aren’t? I haven’t really been following this a whole lot, but as I understand it, the US wants him extradited because his platform was used to leak sensible information that put American soldiers in danger. But why is that a thing when it isn’t for other platforms? I mean, twitter, Facebook and YouTube have…

>> Why is the WikiLeaks foundation responsible for the content posted on their platform, when Google and Facebook aren’t?

Governments still have control over Facebook and Google. They don't like WikiLeaks because they cannot control it. But it's still a good point though; I think Google and Facebook do much more harm to American citizens than WikiLeaks ever could.

It's just that with Google and Facebook, it's less obvious because the bad is mixed in with the good.

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